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> Ironically enough, no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values than the American one. This speech seems rather ... hateful. S
by StandardFuture 5y ago
> Ironically enough, no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values than the American one.
This speech seems rather ... hateful. Shall we fine you? Officers! This man is screaming hateful speech in the public arena!
Or maybe you disagree with that being hate speech? In an uncivilized society, if I have the power then it doesn't really matter. You still get fined or worse.
> You can question everything, just not your own values on speech
No, you can still question that in a free society if you so choose. But you may not necessarily be able to in an unfree one.
> You've turned freedom of speech into dogmatic faith.
This is entirely disingenuous. Supporting a philosophical position is not without reason, as you well know, and is not automatically dogmatic.
> It's all just platitudes about authoritarianism and slippery slopes and ironically enough unoriginal, replicated talking points.
Perhaps, you can better explain your dogmatic devotion to your belief that freedom of speech is not an important tenant of modern civility and sophistication?
- adriand 5y agoIt doesn’t seem hateful whatsoever, and everyone knows it, including you. So I don’t think you’ve made your point very effectively here. I think the well-known distinction between “freedom to” and “freedom from” is relevant here. In the wake of Nazism, Germany also banned hate speech. You could argue that Germany made it less free to be a Nazi. You could also argue that Germany made it easier to be free from Nazism. You may disagree with the choice they made but I don’t think many would reasonably argue that Germany is not a free society. > tenant of modern civility Minor quibble: it’s tenet, not tenant.
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- alentist 5y ago> everyone knows it "Everyone knows" what? This? > no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values as the American one I can't imagine how sheltered from and ignorant of the rest of the world one must be to make such a ludicrous claim.
- seattle_spring 5y agoThank you for this. I'm so tired of the rhetoric lately decrying "intolerance of intolerance." Sorry folks, but me nor the state should respect someone who hates others for who they are. "I hate Jews" is not the same as "I hate those who hate Jews", and it should not be tolerated as such.
- alentist 5y agoWhich category does this fall into? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00030651211008507 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000306512110085...
- seattle_spring 5y agoOn first inspection, it seems like an attempt for you to paint "your opposition" by the beliefs of its extremists. A loaded question at best.
- alentist 5y agoSo which category does it fall into? Don't dodge the question. > it seems like an attempt for you to paint "your opposition" by the beliefs of its extremists That's exactly what you did in your original comment. Talk about lack of self-awareness.