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Despite all the hand-wringing in this thread, Canada has had anti-hate speech laws for some time now and our society has yet to collapse. https://cfe.ryerson.c

Despite all the hand-wringing in this thread, Canada has had anti-hate speech laws for some time now and our society has yet to collapse. https://cfe.ryerson.ca/key-resources/guidesadvice/legal-restriction-hate-speech-canada https://cfe.ryerson.ca/key-resources/guidesadvice/legal-rest... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada

undfg 5y ago
China is also far from collapsing.
- krrrh 5y ago
  You’re probably right, but most people also thought this about the Soviet Union in the eighties.
headsoup 5y ago
All good then so long as no one weaponises them in future...
mastazi 5y ago
"Not collapsing" is not the optimum we should aim for.
- rezendi 5y ago
  No, we should at least aim for the ability to recognize understated sarcasm.
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altfredd 5y ago
Some societies used to have caste system and did human sacrifices, yet it took thousands of years for them to collapse. When they did collapse, it was due to outside invasion rather than their ideologies. Good news: your society isn't collapsing. Bad news: it looks like it is going to shit.
- vlovich123 5y ago
  Am I understanding you correctly that your claim is that Canada’s society is going to shit and the primary reason is this anti hate speech law?
  - Leparamour 5y ago
    > Canada’s society is going to shit and the primary reason is this anti hate speech law? No, it's the ideology behind proposing laws like this. Demonizing the existence of white people and at the same time expecting them to cheerfully provide the main tax base.
    - canadianfella 5y ago
      You’re right. This leads to resentment and racism. We already have institutional racism where grants are awarded based on gender, skin colour, and DNA. It’s ridiculous. We also have publicly funded Catholic schools and a fucking monarchy. Shameful.
- DanHulton 5y ago
  Canada has some very real problems, most-recently in the headlines the atrocious ways we have treated our indigenous population through the years. In many ways, we have always been shit. Regarding our laws protecting people from discrimination in speech and deed, however, I'm going to have to disagree with you.
6f8986c3 5y ago
> our society has yet to collapse. "Yet"
int_19h 5y ago
Countries don't collapse because of censorship. But Canada specifically has a not-so-stellar history of this sort of thing; e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_13_of_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act#Imam_Al-Hayiti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_13_of_the_Canadian_Hum...
deepnotderp 5y ago
The Aztecs had human sacrifice and their society was stable for centuries. Despite all the hand-wringing.
- Leparamour 5y ago
  I'd guess history moves much faster in our times thank to global internet connection and external influences.
krrrh 5y ago
This comment confuses me. There’s plenty of reasons to wring hands over a new law, and the existence of an old law doesn’t change this. It’s well known that the old hate speech laws have existed for 20 years, and also that they have been unevenly applied (not investigating extreme hate from Imams for instance), and harassing journalists for engaging in basic acts of exposition (publishing the Mohammed cartoons). The concern is obviously that the new provisions don’t do anything to address these issues, and seem likely to exacerbate these concerns by expanding the scope and the range of punishments in a way that could chill speech, especially since the law doesn’t adequately define its terms leaving that up to unelected bureaucrats. This law also follows on the heels of bill C-10 which similarly leaves a lot of unanswered questions about how popular youtube channels will be regulated. So Canadians hackles are already up.

undfg 5y ago

China is also far from collapsing.

krrrh 5y ago
You’re probably right, but most people also thought this about the Soviet Union in the eighties.

headsoup 5y ago

All good then so long as no one weaponises them in future...

mastazi 5y ago

"Not collapsing" is not the optimum we should aim for.

rezendi 5y ago
No, we should at least aim for the ability to recognize understated sarcasm.
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altfredd 5y ago

Some societies used to have caste system and did human sacrifices, yet it took thousands of years for them to collapse. When they did collapse, it was due to outside invasion rather than their ideologies. Good news: your society isn't collapsing. Bad news: it looks like it is going to shit.

vlovich123 5y ago
Am I understanding you correctly that your claim is that Canada’s society is going to shit and the primary reason is this anti hate speech law?
- Leparamour 5y ago
  > Canada’s society is going to shit and the primary reason is this anti hate speech law? No, it's the ideology behind proposing laws like this. Demonizing the existence of white people and at the same time expecting them to cheerfully provide the main tax base.
  - canadianfella 5y ago
    You’re right. This leads to resentment and racism. We already have institutional racism where grants are awarded based on gender, skin colour, and DNA. It’s ridiculous. We also have publicly funded Catholic schools and a fucking monarchy. Shameful.
DanHulton 5y ago
Canada has some very real problems, most-recently in the headlines the atrocious ways we have treated our indigenous population through the years. In many ways, we have always been shit. Regarding our laws protecting people from discrimination in speech and deed, however, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

6f8986c3 5y ago

> our society has yet to collapse. "Yet"

int_19h 5y ago

Countries don't collapse because of censorship. But Canada specifically has a not-so-stellar history of this sort of thing; e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_13_of_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act#Imam_Al-Hayiti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_13_of_the_Canadian_Hum...

deepnotderp 5y ago

The Aztecs had human sacrifice and their society was stable for centuries. Despite all the hand-wringing.

Leparamour 5y ago
I'd guess history moves much faster in our times thank to global internet connection and external influences.

krrrh 5y ago

This comment confuses me. There’s plenty of reasons to wring hands over a new law, and the existence of an old law doesn’t change this. It’s well known that the old hate speech laws have existed for 20 years, and also that they have been unevenly applied (not investigating extreme hate from Imams for instance), and harassing journalists for engaging in basic acts of exposition (publishing the Mohammed cartoons). The concern is obviously that the new provisions don’t do anything to address these issues, and seem likely to exacerbate these concerns by expanding the scope and the range of punishments in a way that could chill speech, especially since the law doesn’t adequately define its terms leaving that up to unelected bureaucrats. This law also follows on the heels of bill C-10 which similarly leaves a lot of unanswered questions about how popular youtube channels will be regulated. So Canadians hackles are already up.