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I have absolutely no idea about biology, vaccines and stuff, but don't vaccines need like a shitload of testing? That was the reason the Russian vaccine wasn't

I have absolutely no idea about biology, vaccines and stuff, but don't vaccines need like a shitload of testing? That was the reason the Russian vaccine wasn't accepted by the European Union for quite some time AFAIK. Now Cuba has a vaccine and is already giving it to their citizens. Are they guinnea pigs? Latin America being Latin America, if the Cuban vaccine works, other Latin American countries will most likely import it or manufacture it locally and apply it to their citizens, disregarding if it's properly tested or not. Because politics. Argentina is trying to mix second doses because it ran out of Sputnik (while there are some studies about mixing some vaccines, the government wants to mix two non-tested vaccines). And being the totalitarian government than it is, they will probably end up mixing it.

rbanffy 5y ago
Argentina doesn’t have a totalitarian government.
- gosukiwi 5y ago
  Then we agree to disagree :) I live in Argentina and we have very little freedom. The economic freedom is basically non-existant (can't buy foreign currency), and [private property is violated](https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/o6zfxq/usurpaci%C3%B3n_de_terrenos_en_reconquista_santa_fe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/o6zfxq/usurpaci%...) by the government to buy votes.
  - greendude29 5y ago
    Then you don't know what a totalitarian government is, you can disagree all you want :) Also mixing and matching is not as horrible a thing as you make it sound. Canada is doing it too for the second. Given that a largely white country is also doing it, does that now make you feel better about it?
    - senkora 5y ago
      Argentina is a largely white country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    The very fact that you're able to complain about this online, and not get in serious trouble, is evidence that it's not totalitarian. Authoritarian, perhaps.
  - SllX 5y ago
    That’s a crappy illiberal government, but a better example of a totalitarian government is the PRC: the Party is the highest authority there is, and all matters of society, private, public, spiritual, foreign and domestic (at least as long as you’re of Chinese or Uighur descent) are subordinate to the Party’s interests and considered political.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    The Brazilian far-right frequently claims the previous governments, led by a center-left party that’s pretty much social democratic in policies, were communist. What you have in Argentina is a very timid socdem government, at most. We can agree to disagree, but that doesn’t make it totalitarian. That coming from an Argentinian is surprising, because Argentina had a pretty violent US-sponsored dictatorship for quite some time.
    - gosukiwi 5y ago
      > That coming from an Argentinian is surprising, because Argentina had a pretty violent US-sponsored dictatorship for quite some time. We had many dictatorships, all over Latin America. But there is a reason to say that. Sure, people is not disappearing (cough Nisman cough), but they break our constitution and don't give a fuck, like declaring "estado de sitio", I think it's translated "state of siege", because of COVID. Not allowing people free transit (breaking the constitution), arresting protesters, not allowing people to open their businesses, making them go broke. An excessively long quarantine which totally ruined the already poor economy even further. As a business owner you can't even fire people, they won't let you. And don't get me started on union mafias making deals with the government. I mean sure it's not as bad as North Korea but still I would say it's totalitarian.
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d0mine 5y ago
There are several "Russian" vaccines. The one you are likely referring to is often called Sputnik V. It is tested (phase III should have ended in May 2021). Preliminary results published in February 2021 indicate that it is effective and safe. It is expected but it very sad that due to political reasons there is so much BS about it.
- scoopertrooper 5y ago
  Well, the Russians jumped the gun a bit and tried to roll it out before the trials concluded. I am sure it is a fine vaccine, but stuff like that undermines the hard work of the scientists.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Could you provide a reliable source for that claim? As you day, there is a lot of BS out there.

rbanffy 5y ago

Argentina doesn’t have a totalitarian government.

gosukiwi 5y ago
Then we agree to disagree :) I live in Argentina and we have very little freedom. The economic freedom is basically non-existant (can't buy foreign currency), and [private property is violated](https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/o6zfxq/usurpaci%C3%B3n_de_terrenos_en_reconquista_santa_fe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/o6zfxq/usurpaci%...) by the government to buy votes.
- greendude29 5y ago
  Then you don't know what a totalitarian government is, you can disagree all you want :) Also mixing and matching is not as horrible a thing as you make it sound. Canada is doing it too for the second. Given that a largely white country is also doing it, does that now make you feel better about it?
  - senkora 5y ago
    Argentina is a largely white country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there.
- int_19h 5y ago
  The very fact that you're able to complain about this online, and not get in serious trouble, is evidence that it's not totalitarian. Authoritarian, perhaps.
- SllX 5y ago
  That’s a crappy illiberal government, but a better example of a totalitarian government is the PRC: the Party is the highest authority there is, and all matters of society, private, public, spiritual, foreign and domestic (at least as long as you’re of Chinese or Uighur descent) are subordinate to the Party’s interests and considered political.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  The Brazilian far-right frequently claims the previous governments, led by a center-left party that’s pretty much social democratic in policies, were communist. What you have in Argentina is a very timid socdem government, at most. We can agree to disagree, but that doesn’t make it totalitarian. That coming from an Argentinian is surprising, because Argentina had a pretty violent US-sponsored dictatorship for quite some time.
  - gosukiwi 5y ago
    > That coming from an Argentinian is surprising, because Argentina had a pretty violent US-sponsored dictatorship for quite some time. We had many dictatorships, all over Latin America. But there is a reason to say that. Sure, people is not disappearing (cough Nisman cough), but they break our constitution and don't give a fuck, like declaring "estado de sitio", I think it's translated "state of siege", because of COVID. Not allowing people free transit (breaking the constitution), arresting protesters, not allowing people to open their businesses, making them go broke. An excessively long quarantine which totally ruined the already poor economy even further. As a business owner you can't even fire people, they won't let you. And don't get me started on union mafias making deals with the government. I mean sure it's not as bad as North Korea but still I would say it's totalitarian.
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d0mine 5y ago

There are several "Russian" vaccines. The one you are likely referring to is often called Sputnik V. It is tested (phase III should have ended in May 2021). Preliminary results published in February 2021 indicate that it is effective and safe. It is expected but it very sad that due to political reasons there is so much BS about it.

scoopertrooper 5y ago
Well, the Russians jumped the gun a bit and tried to roll it out before the trials concluded. I am sure it is a fine vaccine, but stuff like that undermines the hard work of the scientists.
wolverine876 5y ago
Could you provide a reliable source for that claim? As you day, there is a lot of BS out there.