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From TFA: The police said they intend to charge the unnamed spectator with “unintentional short-term injury through a manifestly deliberate breach of a duty of

From TFA: The police said they intend to charge the unnamed spectator with “unintentional short-term injury through a manifestly deliberate breach of a duty of safety or care”. And I agree- it's silly to go after the stupid person here, people behave carelessly in similar ways almost anywhere you go. It's actually the fault of the event organizers for not accounting for the 'people' factor.

readonthegoapp 5y ago
These fan-caused disasters seem to happen at every single bike race. Do they? If they don't happen, it seems like a miracle of happenstance -- fans swaying or bikers leaning by a cm or two.
- rasz 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Championship_accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Cham... shit does indeed happen in multiple sports. Anecdotally in currently running Safari Rally, once again under WRC since 2002, military is providing support in form of soldiers with ARs and 1 meter long wooden batons they will use to beat you senseless for refusing to obey commands. Seems to be working.
carapace 5y ago
The person is leaning way out into the street: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7rJfSrW58&t=52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7rJfSrW58&t=52s This is clearly their fault.
- tweetle_beetle 5y ago
  This has been more or less normalised in the Tour though. There are hundreds of similar episodes every year, which are just close calls. It's less common early in a stage when the peloton is so large, but hardly a rarity. Close proximity to "spirited" fans is a part of the culture of the race (and other European races). And it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days. While this person is to blame, it's a case of when, not if, future incidents occur with the current situation. For me some responsibility lies with the organisers.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > This has been more or less normalised in the Tour though. So? Is that a good thing? Any attempt to un-normalise it is to be praised, not pooh-poohed.
    - tweetle_beetle 5y ago
      Finding a single scapegoat for a single incident when estimated spectators numbers are 12-15 million per year and poor behaviour driven by television broadcasting has been going on for decades is just a distraction from the elephant in the room. The huge money making event cannot really be run safely.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        It's a start. Far from your "scapegoat", this nincompoop with her sign was obviously culpable. Start punishing more idiots who do shit like that, and after a whle you'll have fewer idiots who do shit like that.
  - carapace 5y ago
    You say "it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days." and "some responsibility lies with the organisers." which seems contradictory to me. What more should the organizers do?
    - tweetle_beetle 5y ago
      That's my point - they're choosing to put on an even which can't really be run safely. So they should shoulder some of the responsibility.
      - carapace 5y ago
        > they should shoulder some of the responsibility. How? What does that mean? The riders sue the organizers?

readonthegoapp 5y ago

These fan-caused disasters seem to happen at every single bike race. Do they? If they don't happen, it seems like a miracle of happenstance -- fans swaying or bikers leaning by a cm or two.

rasz 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Championship_accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Cham... shit does indeed happen in multiple sports. Anecdotally in currently running Safari Rally, once again under WRC since 2002, military is providing support in form of soldiers with ARs and 1 meter long wooden batons they will use to beat you senseless for refusing to obey commands. Seems to be working.

carapace 5y ago

The person is leaning way out into the street: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7rJfSrW58&t=52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7rJfSrW58&t=52s This is clearly their fault.

tweetle_beetle 5y ago
This has been more or less normalised in the Tour though. There are hundreds of similar episodes every year, which are just close calls. It's less common early in a stage when the peloton is so large, but hardly a rarity. Close proximity to "spirited" fans is a part of the culture of the race (and other European races). And it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days. While this person is to blame, it's a case of when, not if, future incidents occur with the current situation. For me some responsibility lies with the organisers.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > This has been more or less normalised in the Tour though. So? Is that a good thing? Any attempt to un-normalise it is to be praised, not pooh-poohed.
  - tweetle_beetle 5y ago
    Finding a single scapegoat for a single incident when estimated spectators numbers are 12-15 million per year and poor behaviour driven by television broadcasting has been going on for decades is just a distraction from the elephant in the room. The huge money making event cannot really be run safely.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      It's a start. Far from your "scapegoat", this nincompoop with her sign was obviously culpable. Start punishing more idiots who do shit like that, and after a whle you'll have fewer idiots who do shit like that.
- carapace 5y ago
  You say "it isn't really practical to turn 2000+ miles of public roads into a sports venue with barriers, security, etc on a rolling basis for a couple of days." and "some responsibility lies with the organisers." which seems contradictory to me. What more should the organizers do?
  - tweetle_beetle 5y ago
    That's my point - they're choosing to put on an even which can't really be run safely. So they should shoulder some of the responsibility.
    - carapace 5y ago
      > they should shoulder some of the responsibility. How? What does that mean? The riders sue the organizers?