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The hype train is already starting RE: "people will switch to Linux, etc etc". MS for once abandons the backwards compatibility obsession, albeit in an understa

The hype train is already starting RE: "people will switch to Linux, etc etc". MS for once abandons the backwards compatibility obsession, albeit in an understandable but not user-facing, palatable way as with a unified UI - and is dammed to Techlord Mordor. Poor strategy aside, MS just can't win with everyone, the divide is particularly stark for their user base. IMO though they should never have been remotely as lenient over the control panel UI and such, or should've launched a reworked OS dubbed "tileOS" that cleaved off cruft, nix-based with a unified touch & a great package manager, terminal for the backend. It feels to me like the current strategy splits too many hairs. Apple understood this, which is why they haven't launched MacOS RT/10X then scrapped it or some jazz. (And to be clear the issue with 10X is it that it wasn't really approxmating a cleaned up version of Windows - just a ChromeOS competitor for low-cost garbage) Oh, but as for Linux on the desktop - the only way that happens is probably MS throwing in the towel (which is a poor phrase given the context would almost certainly be a boon to most everyone) adopting the Linux Kernel or some FreeBSD core, with a compatability layer for Win32 bullshit.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
But their backwards compabitility obsession is not seen as a drawback by everyone. In fact I personally think Apple is taking things too far. The people that would complain about the backwards compatibility are probably not the same people that are complaining now. Those people would already be using their fancy UWP Metro apps :) By the way they are dropping the live tiles in Windows 11! So tileOS would be a misnomer. I'm personally very happy about that, I always spent a while cleaning up the start menu of all that crap after every install. I never liked the idea of them but admittedly I'm a pretty traditional user (and a power user at that). One thing I do really like in Windows 11 is the new pane system. I haven't yet tried it but it sounds like an interesting compromise between a traditional and a tiling window system. And the good thing about it is that it doesn't have to break any backwards compatibility (after all, neither do tiling WMs on Linux)
- leucineleprec0n 5y ago
  Haha I realize that re live tiles. I do think the tiles lost their allure over time, but at the least the functional UI within menus and such that MS has been evolving at it's best looks great or superior to others of the day then/now (metro, fluent). Likewise re cleaning up the start crap, I'm not wedded to the tiles haha! As a reluctant recent MacOS user though, I really love the functionality of the start menu's easy-to-access list of my software suites/programs. I just strongly feel the Dock + Launchpad is a poor substitute for the Taskbar + Start Menu. Much easier to shove my programs in hiding, or to access.... Windows/instances for that matter in Windows (because all instances remain visible within a scrolling glance of an alias/icon, on Windows - it's something truly bizarre to me in that MacOS users don't mention this flaw - the dock is so easily cluttered and the setting to minimize instances into an icon do not offer an easy glance as with Windows).Anyways, I'd still really like them to unify the UI - it's just a deadweight loss for everyone right now IMO. Even the legacy IT managers... At some point asking them to tolerate UI adjustment isn't insane. RE: Apple: I do agree Apple have gone too far at times... I mean, I think dropping 32-bit support was for the better right now, not too many regrets as I write this on my M1 MBA, though having to dual boot for a class was a PITA last year with Catalina's lack of 32-bit support (and I am opposed to the use of V*rtualbox). IDK, I guess my only real quibble with Apple other than embracing iOS7 design is the direction they're hellbent on leading the charge for with iOS' software model. OTOH, where I part with some here is that I just don't think MS is really out to stop people from installing Linux via TPM - I think this is just usual poor PR and poor strategizing. Looks like they're determined to further muddy the waters lol: https://tinyurl.com/srk9zm7e https://tinyurl.com/srk9zm7e
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    I use Mac a lot too (I do use pretty much all platforms every day). But I don't use Launchpad for the same reason. I don't find it fits well on my big 24" screen. I don't want huge icons spread out over the whole thing, same issue I had with Windows 8. Instead, what I do is I add the Applications folder to the dock and set it to pop-up grid mode. That way it provides a nice start menu. Incidentially this was pretty much how 'things worked' in earlier versions of macOS. In the oldest versions you'd just get a finder window with your apps, and when Stacks came in Leopard (IIRC) this became the de facto 'start menu'. They later introduced launchpad as a unifying thing with the iPad but I just don't think full screen interfaces work well on large screens. Also using spotlight is a handy way of launching apps. I use both together a lot. And yes I totally agree that the minimised windows are hard to spot on macOS, and so is the dot to see which program is running or not. Apple has been tuning down this dot a lot over the years because they don't want users to care about it. It used to be a perfectly serviceable triangle in Tiger and went downhill from there. And yeah I don't think the point is them preventing Linux either. Even if you have a TPM you still retain full control and can still add your own secureboot keys if you want to.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

But their backwards compabitility obsession is not seen as a drawback by everyone. In fact I personally think Apple is taking things too far. The people that would complain about the backwards compatibility are probably not the same people that are complaining now. Those people would already be using their fancy UWP Metro apps :) By the way they are dropping the live tiles in Windows 11! So tileOS would be a misnomer. I'm personally very happy about that, I always spent a while cleaning up the start menu of all that crap after every install. I never liked the idea of them but admittedly I'm a pretty traditional user (and a power user at that). One thing I do really like in Windows 11 is the new pane system. I haven't yet tried it but it sounds like an interesting compromise between a traditional and a tiling window system. And the good thing about it is that it doesn't have to break any backwards compatibility (after all, neither do tiling WMs on Linux)

leucineleprec0n 5y ago
Haha I realize that re live tiles. I do think the tiles lost their allure over time, but at the least the functional UI within menus and such that MS has been evolving at it's best looks great or superior to others of the day then/now (metro, fluent). Likewise re cleaning up the start crap, I'm not wedded to the tiles haha! As a reluctant recent MacOS user though, I really love the functionality of the start menu's easy-to-access list of my software suites/programs. I just strongly feel the Dock + Launchpad is a poor substitute for the Taskbar + Start Menu. Much easier to shove my programs in hiding, or to access.... Windows/instances for that matter in Windows (because all instances remain visible within a scrolling glance of an alias/icon, on Windows - it's something truly bizarre to me in that MacOS users don't mention this flaw - the dock is so easily cluttered and the setting to minimize instances into an icon do not offer an easy glance as with Windows).Anyways, I'd still really like them to unify the UI - it's just a deadweight loss for everyone right now IMO. Even the legacy IT managers... At some point asking them to tolerate UI adjustment isn't insane. RE: Apple: I do agree Apple have gone too far at times... I mean, I think dropping 32-bit support was for the better right now, not too many regrets as I write this on my M1 MBA, though having to dual boot for a class was a PITA last year with Catalina's lack of 32-bit support (and I am opposed to the use of V*rtualbox). IDK, I guess my only real quibble with Apple other than embracing iOS7 design is the direction they're hellbent on leading the charge for with iOS' software model. OTOH, where I part with some here is that I just don't think MS is really out to stop people from installing Linux via TPM - I think this is just usual poor PR and poor strategizing. Looks like they're determined to further muddy the waters lol: https://tinyurl.com/srk9zm7e https://tinyurl.com/srk9zm7e
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  I use Mac a lot too (I do use pretty much all platforms every day). But I don't use Launchpad for the same reason. I don't find it fits well on my big 24" screen. I don't want huge icons spread out over the whole thing, same issue I had with Windows 8. Instead, what I do is I add the Applications folder to the dock and set it to pop-up grid mode. That way it provides a nice start menu. Incidentially this was pretty much how 'things worked' in earlier versions of macOS. In the oldest versions you'd just get a finder window with your apps, and when Stacks came in Leopard (IIRC) this became the de facto 'start menu'. They later introduced launchpad as a unifying thing with the iPad but I just don't think full screen interfaces work well on large screens. Also using spotlight is a handy way of launching apps. I use both together a lot. And yes I totally agree that the minimised windows are hard to spot on macOS, and so is the dot to see which program is running or not. Apple has been tuning down this dot a lot over the years because they don't want users to care about it. It used to be a perfectly serviceable triangle in Tiger and went downhill from there. And yeah I don't think the point is them preventing Linux either. Even if you have a TPM you still retain full control and can still add your own secureboot keys if you want to.