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Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but wi

by dexwiz 5y ago

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it. Overall it was sad for everyone involved. I hope they find some solace in their lives, if only to let their victims find it also.

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philpem 5y ago
I admire your ability to solely wish solace on them. I'd rather the long arm of the law caught up to them.
- sterlind 5y ago
  there's not a lot the law can do, unfortunately. doxxing isn't illegal in the US, at least federally, except against people in certain positions [0]. there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal. bullying is not illegal. hate speech is not illegal. even if individuals on Kiwi Farms can be prosecuted, it wouldn't take the site down. and to be prosecuted, the prosecutors would have to care. there just aren't the laws.. I'm friends with a few people who have been targeted by Kiwi Farms. Near is far from the only person driven to suicide by overwhelming bullying. it's one reason I keep a low profile - I'm just too scared. 0. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119
  - treloon 5y ago
    Pussy lol
  - _delirium 5y ago
    > there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal True, although it's sometimes possible to do a 2-step process under a lower standard. First, ask for a restraining order in civil court. Getting a restraining order has a much lower bar than charging someone with a crime does. If they don't stop, and violate the terms of the restraining order, then they can be sanctioned in various ways (civilly or criminally) for violating the restraining order, depending on the jurisdiction. There are organizations that regularly do this pro bono for domestic violence cases, where the process is pretty well understood [1]. I'm not as sure what organizations or assistance exist for online harassment, unfortunately. [1] https://www.womenslaw.org/laws/general/restraining-orders https://www.womenslaw.org/laws/general/restraining-orders
neartheplain 5y ago
>The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it. Sounds a lot like Twitter.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Sounds nothing at all like Twitter. These are people who cheer when they drive someone to suicide. Do not diminish their utter depravity by comparing them to something far less extreme.
  - neartheplain 5y ago
    No, this sounds exactly like Twitter. On Twitter, self-appointed mobs of the morally righteous call for violence against children [0], farm lulz from the killings of police officers [1], dox strangers to get them fired over off-color jokes [2], and endlessly harass and threaten certain conservative journalists and activists [3]. Actual Twitter employees harassed right-wing reporter Andy Ngo [4] after a real-world mob attack sent him to the ER with a brain hemmorhage, an event which "ACAB Twitter" continues to celebrate and remind him about. The trolls on Twitter blend in by being a few medium-sized fish in the ocean. The trolls on Kiwi Farms are more visible as big fish in their own small pond. They're ideologically flipped compared to Twitter trolls, but fundamentally alike in their methods, moral posturing, and disregard for basic human decency. They're all an enormous net-negative for humanity. [0] https://medium.com/@RevolutionaryId/twitter-democratizing-mobbing-high-profile-individuals-calling-for-violence-against-the-covington-ad18fae84840 https://medium.com/@RevolutionaryId/twitter-democratizing-mo... [1] https://twitter.com/halfsleeps/status/1320955923205033984 https://twitter.com/halfsleeps/status/1320955923205033984 [2] https://news.yahoo.com/journalist-apologizes-for--hasjustinelandedyet-twitter-uproar-after-pr-exec-s-aids-joke-164616178.html https://news.yahoo.com/journalist-apologizes-for--hasjustine... [3] https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/its-insane-were-having-a-debate-over https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/its-insane-were-having-a-... [4] https://archive.is/VGuZy https://archive.is/VGuZy
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by dexwiz 5y ago

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philpem 5y ago

I admire your ability to solely wish solace on them. I'd rather the long arm of the law caught up to them.

sterlind 5y ago
there's not a lot the law can do, unfortunately. doxxing isn't illegal in the US, at least federally, except against people in certain positions [0]. there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal. bullying is not illegal. hate speech is not illegal. even if individuals on Kiwi Farms can be prosecuted, it wouldn't take the site down. and to be prosecuted, the prosecutors would have to care. there just aren't the laws.. I'm friends with a few people who have been targeted by Kiwi Farms. Near is far from the only person driven to suicide by overwhelming bullying. it's one reason I keep a low profile - I'm just too scared. 0. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119
- treloon 5y ago
  Pussy lol
- _delirium 5y ago
  > there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal True, although it's sometimes possible to do a 2-step process under a lower standard. First, ask for a restraining order in civil court. Getting a restraining order has a much lower bar than charging someone with a crime does. If they don't stop, and violate the terms of the restraining order, then they can be sanctioned in various ways (civilly or criminally) for violating the restraining order, depending on the jurisdiction. There are organizations that regularly do this pro bono for domestic violence cases, where the process is pretty well understood [1]. I'm not as sure what organizations or assistance exist for online harassment, unfortunately. [1] https://www.womenslaw.org/laws/general/restraining-orders https://www.womenslaw.org/laws/general/restraining-orders

neartheplain 5y ago

>The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it. Sounds a lot like Twitter.

user-the-name 5y ago
Sounds nothing at all like Twitter. These are people who cheer when they drive someone to suicide. Do not diminish their utter depravity by comparing them to something far less extreme.
- neartheplain 5y ago
  No, this sounds exactly like Twitter. On Twitter, self-appointed mobs of the morally righteous call for violence against children [0], farm lulz from the killings of police officers [1], dox strangers to get them fired over off-color jokes [2], and endlessly harass and threaten certain conservative journalists and activists [3]. Actual Twitter employees harassed right-wing reporter Andy Ngo [4] after a real-world mob attack sent him to the ER with a brain hemmorhage, an event which "ACAB Twitter" continues to celebrate and remind him about. The trolls on Twitter blend in by being a few medium-sized fish in the ocean. The trolls on Kiwi Farms are more visible as big fish in their own small pond. They're ideologically flipped compared to Twitter trolls, but fundamentally alike in their methods, moral posturing, and disregard for basic human decency. They're all an enormous net-negative for humanity. [0] https://medium.com/@RevolutionaryId/twitter-democratizing-mobbing-high-profile-individuals-calling-for-violence-against-the-covington-ad18fae84840 https://medium.com/@RevolutionaryId/twitter-democratizing-mo... [1] https://twitter.com/halfsleeps/status/1320955923205033984 https://twitter.com/halfsleeps/status/1320955923205033984 [2] https://news.yahoo.com/journalist-apologizes-for--hasjustinelandedyet-twitter-uproar-after-pr-exec-s-aids-joke-164616178.html https://news.yahoo.com/journalist-apologizes-for--hasjustine... [3] https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/its-insane-were-having-a-debate-over https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/its-insane-were-having-a-... [4] https://archive.is/VGuZy https://archive.is/VGuZy
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