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But we don't call it french champagne, we just call it champaign or cognac.

123pie123 5y ago
champagne is a region in france ie a location, no need to call it 'french' champagne. so they're able to say champagne can only be made in the region of champagne You're free to say sparkling wine - which is what champagne is
- dantheman 5y ago
  These terms long ago became generalized. There are already trademarked brands, what does this extra layer of protectionism add. I don't think we should allow anyone to call a hamburger, they can call them ground beef patties on a bun - which is what they are. Same with sandwiches outside of sandwich. Probably the same with indian pale ales, etc.... The geographic term describes a style.
  - seszett 5y ago
    > what does this extra layer of protectionism add It allows people to know the origin of a product, which is the intended purpose. Your other examples have nothing to do with geographical origin, hamburger, sandwich or IPA have never been from Hamburg, Sandwich or India, so they are irrelevant. IMO, calling Cognac a product that does not come from Cognac is straight up fraud, and some kind of notoriety theft. If you produce something similar to Cognac in Innsmouth, why don't you just call it Innsmouth then?
    - thiht 5y ago
      Note that Cognac has a generic name: brandy. You can create brandy anywhere and name it that with no issue. Same with Champagne which is sparkling wine, we have tons of sparkling wines in France with their own name and no ambiguity regarding Champagne. If you call everything « Champagne », you lose information. And ultimately it’s good only for big corporations.
  - 123pie123 5y ago
    >These terms long ago became generalized GI describes what words are protected as a region/ location description vs what words are generalized/ part of the dictionary it is a style of something yes, but a style thats linked to a town/ region/ county, that the product has always been created in IPAs are deffo not a location specific decription, since it's a style or make of beer with no location. the indian part in IPA was the destination of the beer. It could be created anywhere
    - dantheman 5y ago
      IPAs were made in Britain.

champagne is a region in france ie a location, no need to call it 'french' champagne. so they're able to say champagne can only be made in the region of champagne You're free to say sparkling wine - which is what champagne is

dantheman 5y ago
These terms long ago became generalized. There are already trademarked brands, what does this extra layer of protectionism add. I don't think we should allow anyone to call a hamburger, they can call them ground beef patties on a bun - which is what they are. Same with sandwiches outside of sandwich. Probably the same with indian pale ales, etc.... The geographic term describes a style.
- seszett 5y ago
  > what does this extra layer of protectionism add It allows people to know the origin of a product, which is the intended purpose. Your other examples have nothing to do with geographical origin, hamburger, sandwich or IPA have never been from Hamburg, Sandwich or India, so they are irrelevant. IMO, calling Cognac a product that does not come from Cognac is straight up fraud, and some kind of notoriety theft. If you produce something similar to Cognac in Innsmouth, why don't you just call it Innsmouth then?
  - thiht 5y ago
    Note that Cognac has a generic name: brandy. You can create brandy anywhere and name it that with no issue. Same with Champagne which is sparkling wine, we have tons of sparkling wines in France with their own name and no ambiguity regarding Champagne. If you call everything « Champagne », you lose information. And ultimately it’s good only for big corporations.
- 123pie123 5y ago
  >These terms long ago became generalized GI describes what words are protected as a region/ location description vs what words are generalized/ part of the dictionary it is a style of something yes, but a style thats linked to a town/ region/ county, that the product has always been created in IPAs are deffo not a location specific decription, since it's a style or make of beer with no location. the indian part in IPA was the destination of the beer. It could be created anywhere
  - dantheman 5y ago
    IPAs were made in Britain.