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I don't see how any amount of money will fix climate change. The planets stable equilibrium carrying capacity has been surpassed.

dinkleberg 5y ago
What should we do then, just accept fate and give up?
jletroui 5y ago
It seems if we would only put brains on the matter, there is no physical laws to be broken to fix this issue. A great example is the Shift Project think tank in France putting together a systemic plan [1] that: 1) brings an entire country to actually respect its carbon budget (relative to its population) necessary to stay within 2C of global warning 2) do this while keeping a job for everybody, in a systemic way (consistent across all industries) 3) does not assume any new miracle technology 4) does not assume to go the autocratic way 5) and more importantly, assumes all of this must be possible under economic contraction, because energy/economy decoupling is for the foreseeable future, a chimera [2] [1] https://theshiftproject.org/article/fiches-plan-transformation-v1/ https://theshiftproject.org/article/fiches-plan-transformati... (in french) [2] https://mk0eeborgicuypctuf7e.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Decoupling-Debunked.pdf https://mk0eeborgicuypctuf7e.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...
bryanlarsen 5y ago
Climate change is not binary. The question at this point is "how much climate change", not if we can or cannot prevent it. Equilibrium is also not a single point. Various ecosystems have different equilibriums. Some have been surpassed, but most can still adapt if we hold change to a low level.
- shadilay 5y ago
  Equilibrium is not a continuum if there are any positive feedback loops. It's just as likely if not more that there are islands of stability passing out of which triggers the feedback loop. For the moment I'm enjoying unprecedented high temperatures reminiscent of the carboniferous.
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    Amen, it'll be fun to watch this thing burn.

dinkleberg 5y ago

What should we do then, just accept fate and give up?

jletroui 5y ago

It seems if we would only put brains on the matter, there is no physical laws to be broken to fix this issue. A great example is the Shift Project think tank in France putting together a systemic plan [1] that: 1) brings an entire country to actually respect its carbon budget (relative to its population) necessary to stay within 2C of global warning 2) do this while keeping a job for everybody, in a systemic way (consistent across all industries) 3) does not assume any new miracle technology 4) does not assume to go the autocratic way 5) and more importantly, assumes all of this must be possible under economic contraction, because energy/economy decoupling is for the foreseeable future, a chimera [2] [1] https://theshiftproject.org/article/fiches-plan-transformation-v1/ https://theshiftproject.org/article/fiches-plan-transformati... (in french) [2] https://mk0eeborgicuypctuf7e.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Decoupling-Debunked.pdf https://mk0eeborgicuypctuf7e.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

bryanlarsen 5y ago

Climate change is not binary. The question at this point is "how much climate change", not if we can or cannot prevent it. Equilibrium is also not a single point. Various ecosystems have different equilibriums. Some have been surpassed, but most can still adapt if we hold change to a low level.

shadilay 5y ago
Equilibrium is not a continuum if there are any positive feedback loops. It's just as likely if not more that there are islands of stability passing out of which triggers the feedback loop. For the moment I'm enjoying unprecedented high temperatures reminiscent of the carboniferous.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Amen, it'll be fun to watch this thing burn.