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> Can you explain why this is a bad thing? It's not. That's my point. systemd does ask some good questions. E.g. I think the logfile situation needed a major
by knorker 5y ago
> Can you explain why this is a bad thing?
It's not. That's my point.
systemd does ask some good questions. E.g. I think the logfile situation needed a major shake-up in unix. Too many log file formats, in text, often completely unparsable (if you're lucky then a regex will work for 99.99% of log lines, but not all), and all unique. And the same mistakes being made over and over again. E.g. "oh, we don't log timezone", or even "meh, it's up to the user to parse the time with timezone correctly, even though things like 'MST' is not even unique".
But did systemd fix that? No. It's just that now I have logs in journalctl AND nginx, AND a bunch of other files. Thanks, standard number 15 that was supposed to unify it all. If you build it, they won't just come. Especially when the implementation is bad.
Believe it or not, the above is actually the pro-systemd argument.
Now, for what you describe: Yes. Exactly. I'm saying systemd DOESN'T do this. I'm saying this is a large successful part of Unix, that systemd ignored.
> A counter-example that comes to mind is when a package upgrade requires manual intervention due to file conflicts in /etc. That's what happens when the packager's default configuration interferes with the user's custom configuration.
Is that actually a problem? Maybe I've been spoiled by Debian, but with the combination of the upgrader showing the diff, and `foo.d` config directories, I've never had this problem in about 25 years of running Debian.
But I believe you if you say that others have this problem, and believe you when you say it's real. But how exactly is systemd fixing it? It doesn't resolve the conflict, if it works like you say where it's a per-file override. That sounds like breaking the system (usually in subtle ways) instead of hilighting the newly arrived inconsistency. That's just sweeping problems under the rug.
It's not enough to say vaguely that "this is different, so probably solves some problem, somehow. And it didn't cause me personally a problem, so fuck everyone else".