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Because I as a consumer buy more than the sum of the ingredients. I don’t want to buy a product that’s indistinguishable from the product made in the original l

Because I as a consumer buy more than the sum of the ingredients. I don’t want to buy a product that’s indistinguishable from the product made in the original location. I want to buy the priduct made there. One reason is that I want to support the production there, as it would be a tragedy if (say) Parmesan producers in Italy were out competed by producers in the US (again, regardless of quality or properties of the product).

rhn_mk1 5y ago
What would make that a tragedy? If the production of Parmesan in Italy is an important cultural phenomenon, then it can be preserved using other means, even non-economical ones.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  It seems more genuine to have it remain a business/industry and not a museum. I quite like having genuine Parmesan from the right place. I’m happy to see any amount of ham fisted protectionism to keep it that way too. So to me it’s an easy win.
  - dantheman 5y ago
    So all you have to do is look at where it where it was made on the label -- is that too difficult?
    - alkonaut 5y ago
      > So all you have to do is look at where it where it was made on the label -- is that too difficult? Apparently yes. Otherwise why would anyone insist on this? I’m also not at all against seeing the entire new world having to eat “Parmesan style cheese” just to reinforce my own feeling of old-world superiority (I’m half joking, but you get the point of why this may be a thing)
      - rhn_mk1 5y ago
        The reason some people insist on this is because they themselves value the provenance (place in this case) where the product was made, and they insist on discounting the opinion of those who care only about the end result. When Parmesan is only made in Italy, those who care don't have to look at the label, but those who only care about the parmesan part have a hard time tracking under which label the non-Italian version is sold. It's a question of whose effort is getting discounted.
        pmyteh 5y ago
        It's not really a problem in practice. The UK follows EU food labeling rules, at least for now, and so this is a real (not hypothetical) situation. The easy way is to make it clear through trade dress. Parmesan is normally sold in wedge-shaped plastic trays, in the cheese aisle. So are other grano-type cheeses like Grano Padana. So essentially everything in that packaging is 'parmesan-like'. For the crappy pre-grated stuff in tubs it'll have a label like 'Italian-style hard cheese'. Same is true of Champagne. The other sparkling wines also come in sparkling wine bottles. And are labeled Cava, Prosecco, Three Choirs Special Reserve, or whatever. Personally, I much prefer actual parmesan to other (even very similar) Italian cheeses, but am not a fan of most champagnes. So I'd say that the PDO-style accurate labeling was a net positive to me as a consumer, leaving aside the economic protectionism bit.
      - makomk 5y ago
        They insist on this because doing so makes it harder for people who only want the particular style of cheese and don't care where it's made to find any product other than the one that's been given an EU monopoly. For example, for a while Parmesan was a generic name for the style of cheese and Parmigiano-Reggiano was the PDO that people who deeply cared about the origins of their cheese could look for. This wasn't enough for Italian cheese producers, though, so they sued in court to get their PDO extended to Parmesan too. Now the generic version has to be sold as "Italian style hard cheese" and similarly vague, confusing names.
        denton-scratch 5y ago
    - kergonath 5y ago
      Well, yes. Because that’s going to be obfuscated, as it is currently done for things that are not as well protected. Look at standard honey for example. In store I can find: - bottled in the EU (without any other information) - assembled in the EU (from EU and non-EU honeys) - from the EU (whatever that means; the EU is a big place) - “made in xx” (where xx is a small place in a given EU country; the honey itself comes from somewhere else) - no information whatsoever, but with a charming “a EU family company” (actually owned by a multinational). We know producers are playing fast and loose with labelling. The way to avoid this is regulation, which PGIs are.
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    That's a false dichotomy. It's possible to inject money into local businesses without implementing trademarks. It's possible to create something in an artisanal way, or even as a hobby. Not everything culturally important needs to turn into an industry, as the existence of local music bands proves. Those don't only play in museums.

rhn_mk1 5y ago

What would make that a tragedy? If the production of Parmesan in Italy is an important cultural phenomenon, then it can be preserved using other means, even non-economical ones.

alkonaut 5y ago
It seems more genuine to have it remain a business/industry and not a museum. I quite like having genuine Parmesan from the right place. I’m happy to see any amount of ham fisted protectionism to keep it that way too. So to me it’s an easy win.
- dantheman 5y ago
  So all you have to do is look at where it where it was made on the label -- is that too difficult?
  - alkonaut 5y ago
    > So all you have to do is look at where it where it was made on the label -- is that too difficult? Apparently yes. Otherwise why would anyone insist on this? I’m also not at all against seeing the entire new world having to eat “Parmesan style cheese” just to reinforce my own feeling of old-world superiority (I’m half joking, but you get the point of why this may be a thing)
    - rhn_mk1 5y ago
      The reason some people insist on this is because they themselves value the provenance (place in this case) where the product was made, and they insist on discounting the opinion of those who care only about the end result. When Parmesan is only made in Italy, those who care don't have to look at the label, but those who only care about the parmesan part have a hard time tracking under which label the non-Italian version is sold. It's a question of whose effort is getting discounted.
      - pmyteh 5y ago
        It's not really a problem in practice. The UK follows EU food labeling rules, at least for now, and so this is a real (not hypothetical) situation. The easy way is to make it clear through trade dress. Parmesan is normally sold in wedge-shaped plastic trays, in the cheese aisle. So are other grano-type cheeses like Grano Padana. So essentially everything in that packaging is 'parmesan-like'. For the crappy pre-grated stuff in tubs it'll have a label like 'Italian-style hard cheese'. Same is true of Champagne. The other sparkling wines also come in sparkling wine bottles. And are labeled Cava, Prosecco, Three Choirs Special Reserve, or whatever. Personally, I much prefer actual parmesan to other (even very similar) Italian cheeses, but am not a fan of most champagnes. So I'd say that the PDO-style accurate labeling was a net positive to me as a consumer, leaving aside the economic protectionism bit.
    - makomk 5y ago
      They insist on this because doing so makes it harder for people who only want the particular style of cheese and don't care where it's made to find any product other than the one that's been given an EU monopoly. For example, for a while Parmesan was a generic name for the style of cheese and Parmigiano-Reggiano was the PDO that people who deeply cared about the origins of their cheese could look for. This wasn't enough for Italian cheese producers, though, so they sued in court to get their PDO extended to Parmesan too. Now the generic version has to be sold as "Italian style hard cheese" and similarly vague, confusing names.
      - denton-scratch 5y ago
  - kergonath 5y ago
    Well, yes. Because that’s going to be obfuscated, as it is currently done for things that are not as well protected. Look at standard honey for example. In store I can find: - bottled in the EU (without any other information) - assembled in the EU (from EU and non-EU honeys) - from the EU (whatever that means; the EU is a big place) - “made in xx” (where xx is a small place in a given EU country; the honey itself comes from somewhere else) - no information whatsoever, but with a charming “a EU family company” (actually owned by a multinational). We know producers are playing fast and loose with labelling. The way to avoid this is regulation, which PGIs are.
- rhn_mk1 5y ago
  That's a false dichotomy. It's possible to inject money into local businesses without implementing trademarks. It's possible to create something in an artisanal way, or even as a hobby. Not everything culturally important needs to turn into an industry, as the existence of local music bands proves. Those don't only play in museums.