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I'm from Moldova, and Moldovan alcohol producers were hit by this. Since the Soviet times lots of things like cognac, champagne, cahors, port wine and so on wer

I'm from Moldova, and Moldovan alcohol producers were hit by this. Since the Soviet times lots of things like cognac, champagne, cahors, port wine and so on were produced in Moldova often using traditional recipes. And then association with EU happened. Ooops, can't use those names anymore, you must devise new names for what is essentially the same exact product.

tchalla 5y ago
Moldova has 5 wines and 1 spirit protected under the GI status. https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900380 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900380 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900381 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900381 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900382 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900382 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900385 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900385
- dmitriid 5y ago
  1. So what? Some of those "protected wines" didn't even exist before the agreement and no one cares if they are protected, or not. This is basically a "in exchange of a few thousand names [1] that you can never use even if you produce an identical product, we will protect some names many of which not even you care about, or weren't even ever used before this agreement". 2. That "protected spirit"? That's the new invented name for cognac. As wikipedia puts it [2], emphasis mine: === start quote === Divin - represents the name, patented in the Republic of Moldova, of the country's brandy, produced in conformity with the classic technology of cognac production. === end quote === So, it's produced like cognac, looks like cognac, has the same ingredients as cognac, smells like cognac, tastes like cognac, but don't you dare call it cognac, invent a new non-sensical name to call it something else but cognac. The same goes for dozens of other names. And we're talking only about wine and spirits. Imagine if no country could call whisky, well, whisky, and each country had to invent their own name for it. [1] Annex XXX-C https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1582887589555&uri=CELEX:22014A0830(01)#d1e32-445-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15828875... and Annex XXX-D https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1582887589555&uri=CELEX:22014A0830(01)#d1e32-485-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15828875... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_wine#Divin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_wine#Divin
  - lou1306 5y ago
    > Imagine if no country could call whisky, well, whisky, and each country had to invent their own name for it. Well that's actually what happens, more or less: we do have Scotch whisky, Irish whiskey, and bourbon, and you cannot make some whisky in, say, France, and sell it as "Scotch". For what it's worth, EU laws also struck Italy, which cannot sell "Tocai" wine no more (now it's called Friulano) because the name sounded too similar to the Hungarian "Tokaji" wine. Note that the similarity was in name only, the two wines are totally different otherwise. You gain some, you lose some.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > you cannot make some whisky in, say, France, and sell it as "Scotch" I'm actually totally fine with geographic specifications for a general name. Like "Scotch whiskey" vs. "Irish whiskey". But some things do reach ridiculous proportions like Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey all trying to lay claim to yoghurt.
      - rsynnott 5y ago
        > I'm actually totally fine with geographic specifications for a general name. Like "Scotch whiskey" vs. "Irish whiskey". Wait, what are you complaining about, then? Cognac and Champagne are places.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        And bourbon is the name of a French dynasty. And bubbles in champagne were popularized by the English and the English (re-)discovered all the necessary infrastructure for production and were the first to describe the process for it. And so on. Names do get commoditized, regardless of their origin [1]. If Scotch whiskey is labeled as "Scotch whiskey", then it should only be fair to label "Champagne" as "Sparkling wine from Champagne" then wouldn't it? Oh wait. "Scoth whiskey" apparently doesn't deserve protection (except in the UK), unlike Champagne. [1] This reminds me of Google ebeing very unhappy when "google" entered dictionaries as a verb.
iso1210 5y ago
And the far east is also full of knock-off products, what's your point? Nobody is stopping Moldovan alcohol producers from making sparkling or fortified wines, they just can't pretend its something else in the hopes of conning the consumer.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  See about cognac: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27651984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27651984 And no. As was discussed elsewhere in the comments this has nothing to do with "knock-off products"
  - iso1210 5y ago
    Why do you want to sell something as congac other than to pretend your product is from Congac? Why can't your product stand on its own two feet? You could call it "Moldovan Brandy" and be done with it.

tchalla 5y ago

Moldova has 5 wines and 1 spirit protected under the GI status. https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900380 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900380 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900381 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900381 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900382 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900382 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900383 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900385 https://www.tmdn.org/giview/gi/EUGI00209900385

dmitriid 5y ago
1. So what? Some of those "protected wines" didn't even exist before the agreement and no one cares if they are protected, or not. This is basically a "in exchange of a few thousand names [1] that you can never use even if you produce an identical product, we will protect some names many of which not even you care about, or weren't even ever used before this agreement". 2. That "protected spirit"? That's the new invented name for cognac. As wikipedia puts it [2], emphasis mine: === start quote === Divin - represents the name, patented in the Republic of Moldova, of the country's brandy, produced in conformity with the classic technology of cognac production. === end quote === So, it's produced like cognac, looks like cognac, has the same ingredients as cognac, smells like cognac, tastes like cognac, but don't you dare call it cognac, invent a new non-sensical name to call it something else but cognac. The same goes for dozens of other names. And we're talking only about wine and spirits. Imagine if no country could call whisky, well, whisky, and each country had to invent their own name for it. [1] Annex XXX-C https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1582887589555&uri=CELEX:22014A0830(01)#d1e32-445-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15828875... and Annex XXX-D https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1582887589555&uri=CELEX:22014A0830(01)#d1e32-485-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15828875... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_wine#Divin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_wine#Divin
- lou1306 5y ago
  > Imagine if no country could call whisky, well, whisky, and each country had to invent their own name for it. Well that's actually what happens, more or less: we do have Scotch whisky, Irish whiskey, and bourbon, and you cannot make some whisky in, say, France, and sell it as "Scotch". For what it's worth, EU laws also struck Italy, which cannot sell "Tocai" wine no more (now it's called Friulano) because the name sounded too similar to the Hungarian "Tokaji" wine. Note that the similarity was in name only, the two wines are totally different otherwise. You gain some, you lose some.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > you cannot make some whisky in, say, France, and sell it as "Scotch" I'm actually totally fine with geographic specifications for a general name. Like "Scotch whiskey" vs. "Irish whiskey". But some things do reach ridiculous proportions like Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey all trying to lay claim to yoghurt.
    - rsynnott 5y ago
      > I'm actually totally fine with geographic specifications for a general name. Like "Scotch whiskey" vs. "Irish whiskey". Wait, what are you complaining about, then? Cognac and Champagne are places.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        And bourbon is the name of a French dynasty. And bubbles in champagne were popularized by the English and the English (re-)discovered all the necessary infrastructure for production and were the first to describe the process for it. And so on. Names do get commoditized, regardless of their origin [1]. If Scotch whiskey is labeled as "Scotch whiskey", then it should only be fair to label "Champagne" as "Sparkling wine from Champagne" then wouldn't it? Oh wait. "Scoth whiskey" apparently doesn't deserve protection (except in the UK), unlike Champagne. [1] This reminds me of Google ebeing very unhappy when "google" entered dictionaries as a verb.

iso1210 5y ago

And the far east is also full of knock-off products, what's your point? Nobody is stopping Moldovan alcohol producers from making sparkling or fortified wines, they just can't pretend its something else in the hopes of conning the consumer.

dmitriid 5y ago
See about cognac: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27651984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27651984 And no. As was discussed elsewhere in the comments this has nothing to do with "knock-off products"
- iso1210 5y ago
  Why do you want to sell something as congac other than to pretend your product is from Congac? Why can't your product stand on its own two feet? You could call it "Moldovan Brandy" and be done with it.