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It's important to recognize potentially legitimate arrests, yes. But - correct me if I'm wrong - the passage that you're citing is not used to describe repress

It's important to recognize potentially legitimate arrests, yes. But - correct me if I'm wrong - the passage that you're citing is not used to describe repression. The report lists it as the starting point and excuse for repression. So even though said incident may have been a genuine act of terrorism, the report is concerned with subsequent repercussions.

yorwba 5y ago
The passage is two thirds down the page after a long list of people getting arrested, banned from traveling, extradited, having their organizations declared illegal, killed in a raid by the Pakistani military etc., so I don't think it's intended to signify the starting point and excuse for repression. It seems to me like they're saying that the individuals in question shouldn't have been stopped by security (just like in all the prior cases they list) and terrorism was just a pretext. The problem I have with that is that I consider the stabbing to be unambiguously a terrorist attack, so I can't trust their evaluation in other cases of what counts as repression vs. legitimately trying to prevent terrorist attacks. I guess I could dig up their sources to find out in which cases I agree with their assessment, but that kind of defeats the point of having a report conveniently summarizing the data.
- uniqueuid 5y ago
  You're right, I agree - the framing and wording is completely out of place. Fleeing from repression does not justify such horrible violence. What irks me most is the phrase "resulting in the group’s desperate decision to commit this act of mass violence." I would even argue that mass violence is not something one can commit out of desperation, it requires a frightening committment.
- xwolfi 5y ago
  It's not to excuse it but to explain it. Here in Hong Kong we got a taste of china kneejerk reaction to violent dissent and it should not be forgotten that things like that have a starting point. The communists are making a terrible strategic mistake in Xinjiang by creating a shared oppression but they did it following a series of events that is important to remember. For instance I d strongly discourage mass murder in Hong Kong as a way to express discontent since China would be ready to intern us all in singing camps where we d be beaten into singing the glory of the motherland.

yorwba 5y ago

The passage is two thirds down the page after a long list of people getting arrested, banned from traveling, extradited, having their organizations declared illegal, killed in a raid by the Pakistani military etc., so I don't think it's intended to signify the starting point and excuse for repression. It seems to me like they're saying that the individuals in question shouldn't have been stopped by security (just like in all the prior cases they list) and terrorism was just a pretext. The problem I have with that is that I consider the stabbing to be unambiguously a terrorist attack, so I can't trust their evaluation in other cases of what counts as repression vs. legitimately trying to prevent terrorist attacks. I guess I could dig up their sources to find out in which cases I agree with their assessment, but that kind of defeats the point of having a report conveniently summarizing the data.

uniqueuid 5y ago
You're right, I agree - the framing and wording is completely out of place. Fleeing from repression does not justify such horrible violence. What irks me most is the phrase "resulting in the group’s desperate decision to commit this act of mass violence." I would even argue that mass violence is not something one can commit out of desperation, it requires a frightening committment.
xwolfi 5y ago
It's not to excuse it but to explain it. Here in Hong Kong we got a taste of china kneejerk reaction to violent dissent and it should not be forgotten that things like that have a starting point. The communists are making a terrible strategic mistake in Xinjiang by creating a shared oppression but they did it following a series of events that is important to remember. For instance I d strongly discourage mass murder in Hong Kong as a way to express discontent since China would be ready to intern us all in singing camps where we d be beaten into singing the glory of the motherland.