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> A much greater level of non-violence from the Palestinian side would result in far stronger international pressure, and also domestic American pressure. The

> A much greater level of non-violence from the Palestinian side would result in far stronger international pressure, and also domestic American pressure. The 2018-2019 Gaza border protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_...) began with extended peaceful demonstrations and dancing by Palestinians. This was met with live fire from Israel, maiming tens of thousands and killing well over 200 people. There was no meaningful international response, with America only voicing support for Israel's "right to defend itself."

metta2uall 5y ago
Of course that was gross criminality & basically mass murder from the IDF side, but they still used the excuse of Hamas using the protests as cover to attack, to breach the border, to fire flaming kites, etc. Nevertheless there was quite a significant international response and loads of reputational damage to the IDF. The difficulty is that the non-violence has to be deep and prolonged.. The current leadership of Hamas controlling Gaza makes things extremely sad/difficult & is a great gift to the Israeli militarists..
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
  I don't agree at all, and I don't think others agree either. Hamas is the government of the area in question. Why are they not allowed to fire into Israel but Israel is allowed to do all manner of crimes in Hamas' territory? Shooting innocents, storming innocent gatherings, espionage, wounding and killing innocent people is always done by Israel especially in land it internationally has no right to (think East Jerusalem). No government in the world would allow such unchecked aggression and militarism within their borders. Hamas does not allow it either.
- esens 5y ago
  Israel currently will use that as a public excuse, but Israel will clamp down on non-violent protect and violent protest fairly equally. There is always an excuse for why Israel has to take land and also why it has to have racist laws. The problem is that if you look into it, it is a demographic battle to ensure that Israel keeps the West Bank and also that there is a Jewish majority in that region at whatever cost. For example, here is a law that prevents family reunifications but only affecting non-Jews: https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/511 https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/511 And here is an Israeli ambassador making the case that Jews are reproducing more than Arabs and that is a great thing (although he excludes Gaza, which Israel hopes that Egypt takes over): https://www.jns.org/opinion/blinken-is-wrong-on-israels-demography/ https://www.jns.org/opinion/blinken-is-wrong-on-israels-demo... Israel is a really strange nation these days. It is very racist and openly so.

metta2uall 5y ago

Of course that was gross criminality & basically mass murder from the IDF side, but they still used the excuse of Hamas using the protests as cover to attack, to breach the border, to fire flaming kites, etc. Nevertheless there was quite a significant international response and loads of reputational damage to the IDF. The difficulty is that the non-violence has to be deep and prolonged.. The current leadership of Hamas controlling Gaza makes things extremely sad/difficult & is a great gift to the Israeli militarists..

notsureaboutpg 5y ago
I don't agree at all, and I don't think others agree either. Hamas is the government of the area in question. Why are they not allowed to fire into Israel but Israel is allowed to do all manner of crimes in Hamas' territory? Shooting innocents, storming innocent gatherings, espionage, wounding and killing innocent people is always done by Israel especially in land it internationally has no right to (think East Jerusalem). No government in the world would allow such unchecked aggression and militarism within their borders. Hamas does not allow it either.
esens 5y ago
Israel currently will use that as a public excuse, but Israel will clamp down on non-violent protect and violent protest fairly equally. There is always an excuse for why Israel has to take land and also why it has to have racist laws. The problem is that if you look into it, it is a demographic battle to ensure that Israel keeps the West Bank and also that there is a Jewish majority in that region at whatever cost. For example, here is a law that prevents family reunifications but only affecting non-Jews: https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/511 https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/511 And here is an Israeli ambassador making the case that Jews are reproducing more than Arabs and that is a great thing (although he excludes Gaza, which Israel hopes that Egypt takes over): https://www.jns.org/opinion/blinken-is-wrong-on-israels-demography/ https://www.jns.org/opinion/blinken-is-wrong-on-israels-demo... Israel is a really strange nation these days. It is very racist and openly so.