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Mumble sucks. Security problems. Barely maintained. Some pretty major os bugs. Most people can't get it to work first try. I have to say, my game group use

Mumble sucks. Security problems. Barely maintained. Some pretty major os bugs. Most people can't get it to work first try. I have to say, my game group uses it instead of guided or discord and it is genuinely annoying.

22c 5y ago
>Security problems. What security problems?
rijoja 5y ago
If you prefer closed source solutions geared towards non-technical people maybe HN isn't the forum for you.
- haunter 5y ago
  Why? I have an open source project and we run it on Discord with 500 people on the server because it's just better than anything else available. Yes I wish there were an open source alternative but there isn't really when you don't want to self host or manage servers like with TS or Mumble (and those are utterly lack any contribution or chat features). Just voice chat alone doesn't cut it and Mumble not even that good as some people make it out to be Element is the closest but the fact that it's paid already a huge turn off for a lot of users https://element.io/ https://element.io/
  - mouldysammich 5y ago
    Element isnt paid? It has paid hosted options if you want your own synapse server, but the free version has always been there and if you're using discord why care that you dont have your own domain for your matrix community
    - im3w1l 5y ago
      On discord, communities (or as they call it servers) will typically have many different channels. From my understanding you'd need your own domain to replicate that on element. Eg. #memes:ultimatefrisbee.pt
      - mouldysammich 5y ago
        Its in beta but element groups were added recently for this kind of thing. I dont think it has voice rooms yet but hopefully one day.
  - rijoja 5y ago
    If you run an open source project yourself, maybe you could sympathise with the contributors and formulate your criticism in a more constructive manner.
    - undfg 5y ago
      This attitude of "you got it for free so you can't complain" is a scourge on open source. How can something ever improve if we can't point out the flaws in it?
      - zxzax 5y ago
        >is a scourge on open source I wouldn't say so, unstructured complaining really doesn't help at all. If the project has been around for a while then the flaws are usually well known. Before you lodge a complaint, you'll want to check the bug tracker to see if something has already been discussed. If it has, then the flaws have already been pointed out, and further complaining upon that point does nothing and only serves to annoy the people working on a fix -- the best thing to do there is to start contributing and collaborating on a fix to the issue. Then once you do that, you'll see why it's not helpful when people keep bothering you with "is it fixed yet" type comments :)
  - approxim8ion 5y ago
    If you don't want to self-host then Element is not paid either.
- ohyeshedid 5y ago
  It's entirely possible to criticize closed source software without suggesting someone leave the community. I think it might be a little uncharitable to say they prefer closed source software, it might be because it's often the easiest to access/use for a lot of people. I mean, that's been the struggle, no?
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  That’s pretty elitist and for no reason. Just because you use niche software doesn’t make you special
- tpush 5y ago
  Nonsense, this message board has nothing to do with open source software per se.
franga2000 5y ago
Hammers suck. Easily stolen if left unprotected. Basically haven't changed since invetion. Sometimes they break. Most people actually want a screwdriver. Mumble is a tool with its own strengths and weaknesses. It's not a social communication platform, so of course it sucks to run a community on it! What it is is an excellent voice server. I've used it for intercom at a large live event and it was perfect. I've seen it used at a large LAN gaming event to successfully cut bandwidth usage almost in half. It also has broad support for positional audio in games - something that Discord notably completely lacks. It's free, it's open, it's not bound to provider-operated servers, it has stellar latency and is very extendable. Please, find me another option.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  All good, but it has no users while everyone has Discord and since Discord works from a website you don’t even need to install a client. Simple convenience is the killer feature. Niches will use niche software
  - nix23 5y ago
    >but it has no users while everyone has Discord Why do you know that?
    - knownjorbist 5y ago
      Tell me you don't play video games without telling me you don't play video games. Everyone is on Discord.
      - nix23 5y ago
        Hey buddy sorry to say, but you live in a bubble.
        knownjorbist 5y ago
        So where are the gaming and niche interest communities, then?
nix23 5y ago
>Some pretty major os bugs. It think you "Barely" know what Mumble is. >Most people can't get it to work first try. Yeah sounds like a nice group of yours ;)

22c 5y ago

>Security problems. What security problems?

rijoja 5y ago

If you prefer closed source solutions geared towards non-technical people maybe HN isn't the forum for you.

haunter 5y ago
Why? I have an open source project and we run it on Discord with 500 people on the server because it's just better than anything else available. Yes I wish there were an open source alternative but there isn't really when you don't want to self host or manage servers like with TS or Mumble (and those are utterly lack any contribution or chat features). Just voice chat alone doesn't cut it and Mumble not even that good as some people make it out to be Element is the closest but the fact that it's paid already a huge turn off for a lot of users https://element.io/ https://element.io/
- mouldysammich 5y ago
  Element isnt paid? It has paid hosted options if you want your own synapse server, but the free version has always been there and if you're using discord why care that you dont have your own domain for your matrix community
  - im3w1l 5y ago
    On discord, communities (or as they call it servers) will typically have many different channels. From my understanding you'd need your own domain to replicate that on element. Eg. #memes:ultimatefrisbee.pt
    - mouldysammich 5y ago
      Its in beta but element groups were added recently for this kind of thing. I dont think it has voice rooms yet but hopefully one day.
- rijoja 5y ago
  If you run an open source project yourself, maybe you could sympathise with the contributors and formulate your criticism in a more constructive manner.
  - undfg 5y ago
    This attitude of "you got it for free so you can't complain" is a scourge on open source. How can something ever improve if we can't point out the flaws in it?
    - zxzax 5y ago
      >is a scourge on open source I wouldn't say so, unstructured complaining really doesn't help at all. If the project has been around for a while then the flaws are usually well known. Before you lodge a complaint, you'll want to check the bug tracker to see if something has already been discussed. If it has, then the flaws have already been pointed out, and further complaining upon that point does nothing and only serves to annoy the people working on a fix -- the best thing to do there is to start contributing and collaborating on a fix to the issue. Then once you do that, you'll see why it's not helpful when people keep bothering you with "is it fixed yet" type comments :)
- approxim8ion 5y ago
  If you don't want to self-host then Element is not paid either.
ohyeshedid 5y ago
It's entirely possible to criticize closed source software without suggesting someone leave the community. I think it might be a little uncharitable to say they prefer closed source software, it might be because it's often the easiest to access/use for a lot of people. I mean, that's been the struggle, no?
nextlevelwizard 5y ago
That’s pretty elitist and for no reason. Just because you use niche software doesn’t make you special
tpush 5y ago
Nonsense, this message board has nothing to do with open source software per se.

franga2000 5y ago

Hammers suck. Easily stolen if left unprotected. Basically haven't changed since invetion. Sometimes they break. Most people actually want a screwdriver. Mumble is a tool with its own strengths and weaknesses. It's not a social communication platform, so of course it sucks to run a community on it! What it is is an excellent voice server. I've used it for intercom at a large live event and it was perfect. I've seen it used at a large LAN gaming event to successfully cut bandwidth usage almost in half. It also has broad support for positional audio in games - something that Discord notably completely lacks. It's free, it's open, it's not bound to provider-operated servers, it has stellar latency and is very extendable. Please, find me another option.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
All good, but it has no users while everyone has Discord and since Discord works from a website you don’t even need to install a client. Simple convenience is the killer feature. Niches will use niche software
- nix23 5y ago
  >but it has no users while everyone has Discord Why do you know that?
  - knownjorbist 5y ago
    Tell me you don't play video games without telling me you don't play video games. Everyone is on Discord.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Hey buddy sorry to say, but you live in a bubble.
      - knownjorbist 5y ago
        So where are the gaming and niche interest communities, then?

nix23 5y ago

>Some pretty major os bugs. It think you "Barely" know what Mumble is. >Most people can't get it to work first try. Yeah sounds like a nice group of yours ;)