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In the US: If one of these contraptions appeared on your property and didn't leave, is it your property now, as much as any mistaken delivery? I'm thinking abo

In the US: If one of these contraptions appeared on your property and didn't leave, is it your property now, as much as any mistaken delivery? I'm thinking about lots of "whoopsie-doodles" for interested parties who might want to hack on these for other purposes.

onion2k 5y ago
Surely there's no country on Earth where "it's on my property therefore it belongs to me now" has any basis in law. That would be totally unworkable.
- hytdstd 5y ago
  Not quite true; mail delivered to your address is legally yours. A retailer who accidentally ships a crate rather than a unit of headphones has no legal right to mandate that you return received merchandise. edit: I should've been clear in stating that it is _unsolicited_ mail addressed to your name and address that is legally yours.
  - AnotherGoodName 5y ago
    >mail delivered to your address is legally yours Is this in anyway based on any facts whatsoever or is this something you weer once told and are now repeating? A quick Google says it's up to 5 years jail for keeping misdelivered mail in the USA (depends on jurisdiction). https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/theft-or-receipt-of-stolen-mail-53760 https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/theft-or-receipt-of-stolen...
    - hytdstd 5y ago
      > Is this in anyway based on any facts whatsoever or is this something you weer once told and are now repeating? Yes. https://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_v04_revision_072019_tech_021.htm https://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_v04_revi...
      - qazpot 5y ago
        I think there is a significant difference between unsolicited mail and misdelivered mail
        hytdstd 5y ago
        Sorry for the ambiguity. I should've been more clear.
    - failwhaleshark 5y ago
      In the real world, those who act criminally in regards to mis-delivered and misaddressed mail: no one is going to jail for mis-delivered or misaddressed mail unless they offended the wrong important person or were dumb enough to get caught. Incidentally, we've been having numerous postal issues at my complex because it doesn't have a full-time carrier assigned to the route. It's so bad, I had to get a PO Box. My neighbors must be mostly thieves (keep) or too lazy (throw away) to bother correctly redelivering mis-delivered letters or packages most of the time. They are surprised like you're a fool for making an effort to redeliver them correctly. The complex is 98% white-collar, third-tier college graduates, single, between 24 and 35. I've had electronics, clothing, and random articles left in my box and at my door... these are mis-deliveries. Misaddressed mail would be wrong name but correct address.
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    Hazzard Fraught sent, to my name AND my address, an entire case of Fein-type multi-tools without an invoice. They can suck it because law. I however didn't go candy is the new toliet paper-hoarding Grinch over lazily mis-delivered snacks by doing the couriers' job for them. Maybe I shouldn't have because replacements, but neighbors and candy usually involves kids. Neighbors didn't even say "thanks," so I definitely should've kept them. No good deed ever gets you anywhere, kids; you must always appear to do something half benevolent and half selfish with an audience. Be Vito Corleone. Make them an offer they can't refuse. Since it was was couriered instead of postal mailed, postal laws don't apply and it reverts to property and commerce laws. Now if I conspired to give them half if they said they didn't receive it, that would've been conspiracy to commit fraud.

onion2k 5y ago

Surely there's no country on Earth where "it's on my property therefore it belongs to me now" has any basis in law. That would be totally unworkable.

hytdstd 5y ago
Not quite true; mail delivered to your address is legally yours. A retailer who accidentally ships a crate rather than a unit of headphones has no legal right to mandate that you return received merchandise. edit: I should've been clear in stating that it is _unsolicited_ mail addressed to your name and address that is legally yours.
- AnotherGoodName 5y ago
  >mail delivered to your address is legally yours Is this in anyway based on any facts whatsoever or is this something you weer once told and are now repeating? A quick Google says it's up to 5 years jail for keeping misdelivered mail in the USA (depends on jurisdiction). https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/theft-or-receipt-of-stolen-mail-53760 https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/theft-or-receipt-of-stolen...
  - hytdstd 5y ago
    > Is this in anyway based on any facts whatsoever or is this something you weer once told and are now repeating? Yes. https://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_v04_revision_072019_tech_021.htm https://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_v04_revi...
    - qazpot 5y ago
      I think there is a significant difference between unsolicited mail and misdelivered mail
      - hytdstd 5y ago
        Sorry for the ambiguity. I should've been more clear.
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    In the real world, those who act criminally in regards to mis-delivered and misaddressed mail: no one is going to jail for mis-delivered or misaddressed mail unless they offended the wrong important person or were dumb enough to get caught. Incidentally, we've been having numerous postal issues at my complex because it doesn't have a full-time carrier assigned to the route. It's so bad, I had to get a PO Box. My neighbors must be mostly thieves (keep) or too lazy (throw away) to bother correctly redelivering mis-delivered letters or packages most of the time. They are surprised like you're a fool for making an effort to redeliver them correctly. The complex is 98% white-collar, third-tier college graduates, single, between 24 and 35. I've had electronics, clothing, and random articles left in my box and at my door... these are mis-deliveries. Misaddressed mail would be wrong name but correct address.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  Hazzard Fraught sent, to my name AND my address, an entire case of Fein-type multi-tools without an invoice. They can suck it because law. I however didn't go candy is the new toliet paper-hoarding Grinch over lazily mis-delivered snacks by doing the couriers' job for them. Maybe I shouldn't have because replacements, but neighbors and candy usually involves kids. Neighbors didn't even say "thanks," so I definitely should've kept them. No good deed ever gets you anywhere, kids; you must always appear to do something half benevolent and half selfish with an audience. Be Vito Corleone. Make them an offer they can't refuse. Since it was was couriered instead of postal mailed, postal laws don't apply and it reverts to property and commerce laws. Now if I conspired to give them half if they said they didn't receive it, that would've been conspiracy to commit fraud.