We might be able to teach a lot more people about programming if we don’t expect students to know mathematics first I'd like to know where the author thinks ma

We might be able to teach a lot more people about programming if we don’t expect students to know mathematics first I'd like to know where the author thinks mathematical learning can stop. In the US we live in a society where people will say with a smile, as though it was a badge of honor, "Oh I can't do math, I always hated it in school." I'm sure the author isn't talking about that level of learning and would still want a reasonable degree of knowledge for all people, but their opinion on what that should be would be would be interesting in this context.