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> China encourages/allows/supports I don't know any such concrete measures to support some creators. I do see that CCP wants to tell a more positive side of C

> China encourages/allows/supports I don't know any such concrete measures to support some creators. I do see that CCP wants to tell a more positive side of China on all sorts of media platforms. That in itself is pretty reasonable. I mean, certainly no other political group are going to say good things about China anyway.

mannerheim 5y ago
No, it's wholly unreasonable to allow China to use these platforms to disseminate propaganda when they ban them in their own country. The federal government should ban Chinese propagandists from YouTube, the New York Times, etc. unless China unblocks these sites.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > disseminate propaganda What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Also, you'd follow the laws. Doing such thing as you suggested violates a lot of US laws. And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. Technically, Google and FB and all those banned firms are leaving China voluntarily because they decide not profitable to follow those laws. So if certain laws are passed to shut out Chinese propaganda outlets, that'll be totally fine. But again, this will be banning individual outlets, not just platforms. China probably will retaliate to bann individuals as well.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Pretty much anything out of China? Because, you know, it's allowed to get out of China.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... But I understand you. CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically...
      - mannerheim 5y ago
        A blanket ban of all Chinese content would be acceptable to me.
        justicezyx 5y ago
        Why? No one read Chinese in USA anyway. People are quite ignorant here. Had little appetite for alternative views, let alone content written in the most difficult language on earth...
        mannerheim 5y ago
        CCP propaganda is in English, of course, and they openly run advertisements on the New York Times[0], despite NYT being blocked in China. You can also find numerous videos from state-owned media on YouTube, where they put some Uyghurs on camera to talk about how good life is in Xinjiang, as well as Twitter accounts that peddle apologia for concentration camps.[1] There's no reason America should allow China to peddle propaganda on platforms that are blocked in China. [0]: https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop... [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-twitter/twitter-locks-account-of-chinas-u-s-embassy-over-its-defense-of-xinjiang-policy-idUSKBN29Q03O https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-twitter/twitter-loc...
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        > I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... Yes, I understood that; that's why that was what I replied to. See also: > > And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27658931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27658931 ] China has censorship laws. Therefore, anything that is allowed out of China is what China's censorship allows. The purpose of censorship is to suppress anything that could be construed as negative about the regime, i.e. allow only what is positive, i.e. propaganda. Hope that clears it up for you? > But I understand you. Actually, I sincerely doubt that. > CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically... Yeah, right. And for condemning Stalin, I must be Hitler; for condemning Hitler, I must be Stalin. For condemning both, I must be both Hitler and Stalin! Take that tired old propagandist trope and shove it somewhere, mr People's Democratic Justice.

mannerheim 5y ago

No, it's wholly unreasonable to allow China to use these platforms to disseminate propaganda when they ban them in their own country. The federal government should ban Chinese propagandists from YouTube, the New York Times, etc. unless China unblocks these sites.

justicezyx 5y ago
> disseminate propaganda What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Also, you'd follow the laws. Doing such thing as you suggested violates a lot of US laws. And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. Technically, Google and FB and all those banned firms are leaving China voluntarily because they decide not profitable to follow those laws. So if certain laws are passed to shut out Chinese propaganda outlets, that'll be totally fine. But again, this will be banning individual outlets, not just platforms. China probably will retaliate to bann individuals as well.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Pretty much anything out of China? Because, you know, it's allowed to get out of China.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... But I understand you. CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically...
    - mannerheim 5y ago
      A blanket ban of all Chinese content would be acceptable to me.
      - justicezyx 5y ago
        Why? No one read Chinese in USA anyway. People are quite ignorant here. Had little appetite for alternative views, let alone content written in the most difficult language on earth...
        mannerheim 5y ago
        CCP propaganda is in English, of course, and they openly run advertisements on the New York Times[0], despite NYT being blocked in China. You can also find numerous videos from state-owned media on YouTube, where they put some Uyghurs on camera to talk about how good life is in Xinjiang, as well as Twitter accounts that peddle apologia for concentration camps.[1] There's no reason America should allow China to peddle propaganda on platforms that are blocked in China. [0]: https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop... [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-twitter/twitter-locks-account-of-chinas-u-s-embassy-over-its-defense-of-xinjiang-policy-idUSKBN29Q03O https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-twitter/twitter-loc...
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... Yes, I understood that; that's why that was what I replied to. See also: > > And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27658931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27658931 ] China has censorship laws. Therefore, anything that is allowed out of China is what China's censorship allows. The purpose of censorship is to suppress anything that could be construed as negative about the regime, i.e. allow only what is positive, i.e. propaganda. Hope that clears it up for you? > But I understand you. Actually, I sincerely doubt that. > CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically... Yeah, right. And for condemning Stalin, I must be Hitler; for condemning Hitler, I must be Stalin. For condemning both, I must be both Hitler and Stalin! Take that tired old propagandist trope and shove it somewhere, mr People's Democratic Justice.