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China isn't even a market for them since YouTube is blocked. That's what makes this even more pathetic.

justicezyx 5y ago
There are plenty of Chinese brand advertising on YT. And there is a large population consuming YT videos through VPN, and oversea Chinese people myself for example (you can pretty much find every Chinese content creator with decent followers, probably >100k, mirror their video between Chinese ddomestic sites and YT.
- hnick 5y ago
  I've heard China encourages/allows/supports some creators on YouTube for cultural export too. I mean if YouTube is 'banned' then someone like Dianxi Xiaoge with 7.5 million subscribers isn't exactly under the radar if they wanted to enforce their rules.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    > China encourages/allows/supports I don't know any such concrete measures to support some creators. I do see that CCP wants to tell a more positive side of China on all sorts of media platforms. That in itself is pretty reasonable. I mean, certainly no other political group are going to say good things about China anyway.
    - mannerheim 5y ago
      No, it's wholly unreasonable to allow China to use these platforms to disseminate propaganda when they ban them in their own country. The federal government should ban Chinese propagandists from YouTube, the New York Times, etc. unless China unblocks these sites.
      - justicezyx 5y ago
        > disseminate propaganda What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Also, you'd follow the laws. Doing such thing as you suggested violates a lot of US laws. And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. Technically, Google and FB and all those banned firms are leaving China voluntarily because they decide not profitable to follow those laws. So if certain laws are passed to shut out Chinese propaganda outlets, that'll be totally fine. But again, this will be banning individual outlets, not just platforms. China probably will retaliate to bann individuals as well.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Pretty much anything out of China? Because, you know, it's allowed to get out of China.
        justicezyx 5y ago
        I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... But I understand you. CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically...
        mannerheim 5y ago
        A blanket ban of all Chinese content would be acceptable to me.
        justicezyx 5y ago
        Why? No one read Chinese in USA anyway. People are quite ignorant here. Had little appetite for alternative views, let alone content written in the most difficult language on earth...
        5y ago
brundolf 5y ago
China is a market for Google as a whole, even if not YouTube. Just one more fun side-effect of bundling all our services under megaconglomerates.
- saurik 5y ago
  But aren't all of Google's services indiscriminately blocked in China?
  - brundolf 5y ago
    Google has offices in China, I'd bet they manufacture one thing or another there, etc. Business relations go beyond just consumer-facing services
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Google has offices in China, I'd bet they manufacture one thing or another there, etc. Business relations go beyond just consumer-facing services That might be a self-serving excuse that would apply to Apple, which the PRC has by the balls, but not Google. Whatever Google has in China is relatively minor to its business.

There are plenty of Chinese brand advertising on YT. And there is a large population consuming YT videos through VPN, and oversea Chinese people myself for example (you can pretty much find every Chinese content creator with decent followers, probably >100k, mirror their video between Chinese ddomestic sites and YT.

hnick 5y ago
I've heard China encourages/allows/supports some creators on YouTube for cultural export too. I mean if YouTube is 'banned' then someone like Dianxi Xiaoge with 7.5 million subscribers isn't exactly under the radar if they wanted to enforce their rules.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > China encourages/allows/supports I don't know any such concrete measures to support some creators. I do see that CCP wants to tell a more positive side of China on all sorts of media platforms. That in itself is pretty reasonable. I mean, certainly no other political group are going to say good things about China anyway.
  - mannerheim 5y ago
    No, it's wholly unreasonable to allow China to use these platforms to disseminate propaganda when they ban them in their own country. The federal government should ban Chinese propagandists from YouTube, the New York Times, etc. unless China unblocks these sites.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      > disseminate propaganda What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Also, you'd follow the laws. Doing such thing as you suggested violates a lot of US laws. And in fact, China does have laws to force operators to follow other Chinese laws, including censorship laws. Technically, Google and FB and all those banned firms are leaving China voluntarily because they decide not profitable to follow those laws. So if certain laws are passed to shut out Chinese propaganda outlets, that'll be totally fine. But again, this will be banning individual outlets, not just platforms. China probably will retaliate to bann individuals as well.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        > What are the criteria to label things as "disseminating propaganda"? Pretty much anything out of China? Because, you know, it's allowed to get out of China.
        justicezyx 5y ago
        I am asking the criteria as the factual characters, not its source... But I understand you. CCP labels everything coming from USA as propaganda as well. I do see you and a lot of US people share a lot of common values of CCP, a bit ironically...
        mannerheim 5y ago
        A blanket ban of all Chinese content would be acceptable to me.
        justicezyx 5y ago
        Why? No one read Chinese in USA anyway. People are quite ignorant here. Had little appetite for alternative views, let alone content written in the most difficult language on earth...
        5y ago

brundolf 5y ago

China is a market for Google as a whole, even if not YouTube. Just one more fun side-effect of bundling all our services under megaconglomerates.

saurik 5y ago
But aren't all of Google's services indiscriminately blocked in China?
- brundolf 5y ago
  Google has offices in China, I'd bet they manufacture one thing or another there, etc. Business relations go beyond just consumer-facing services
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Google has offices in China, I'd bet they manufacture one thing or another there, etc. Business relations go beyond just consumer-facing services That might be a self-serving excuse that would apply to Apple, which the PRC has by the balls, but not Google. Whatever Google has in China is relatively minor to its business.