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So Microsoft has chosen to go down the Windows Vista route again. People are notoriously reluctant to update Windows, and if they really want to start this earl

So Microsoft has chosen to go down the Windows Vista route again. People are notoriously reluctant to update Windows, and if they really want to start this early with FUD about their next OS, it's very likely it's going to be rejected by the masses like Vista and 8. 10 took over 7 only because it was actually what people asked for, worked well and it worked like people expect Windows to behave. Lots of people keep computers for years now, and it's not that uncommon to see people still holding on 6 or 7 years old machines. Most people don't really need computers that much now that smartphones are ubiquitous, and even an old computer can run a browser or a word processor just fine. Microsoft still can't realize they are not Apple. People won't just buy a new computer just to run Windows 11. That's not how it works, Microsoft still hasn't really accepted they don't have neither the mindshare nor the appeal for doing moves like this. I thought they had learnt from their mistakes after the Vista/8/Kinect debacle, but I guess they just cannot.

userbinator 5y ago
10 took over 7 only because it was actually what people asked for, worked well and it worked like people expect Windows to behave. No, it took over only because of the silent forced upgrades that also included some typical malware-like dark patterns. There's plenty of stories here and elsewhere about it. Some examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11784337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11784337
- bserge 5y ago
  And 7 being dropped by major software companies, which is the only reason Windows is the most popular OS, might I say. Not sure why Adobe et al don't just show Microsoft the middle finger and move to Linux, with their support everyone wins.
  - novok 5y ago
    Find me a functional ecosystem of linux laptops that does basic shit such as... suspend and works for 10 years and does not need a linux IT professional to maintain for a small shop.
    - bserge 5y ago
      Yeah that's something that pains me, too. Hard to find a laptop where everything just works, no one cares enough to make drivers compatible. Desktops are pretty good though. If more good software ran on Linux, it would have a higher marketshare and hardware vendors would also pay more attention to it imo.
shadilay 5y ago
I hope Win11 will have the same uptake as new versions of android, ie not at all. As long as relatively few people upgrade it will prevent the rest of the industry from locking out the majority of users who happen to be on 'legacy' windows. MS is of course playing the long game and if the frog doesn't boil with Win11 he will by the time of Win12 or Win13.

userbinator 5y ago

10 took over 7 only because it was actually what people asked for, worked well and it worked like people expect Windows to behave. No, it took over only because of the silent forced upgrades that also included some typical malware-like dark patterns. There's plenty of stories here and elsewhere about it. Some examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11784337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11784337

bserge 5y ago
And 7 being dropped by major software companies, which is the only reason Windows is the most popular OS, might I say. Not sure why Adobe et al don't just show Microsoft the middle finger and move to Linux, with their support everyone wins.
- novok 5y ago
  Find me a functional ecosystem of linux laptops that does basic shit such as... suspend and works for 10 years and does not need a linux IT professional to maintain for a small shop.
  - bserge 5y ago
    Yeah that's something that pains me, too. Hard to find a laptop where everything just works, no one cares enough to make drivers compatible. Desktops are pretty good though. If more good software ran on Linux, it would have a higher marketshare and hardware vendors would also pay more attention to it imo.

shadilay 5y ago

I hope Win11 will have the same uptake as new versions of android, ie not at all. As long as relatively few people upgrade it will prevent the rest of the industry from locking out the majority of users who happen to be on 'legacy' windows. MS is of course playing the long game and if the frog doesn't boil with Win11 he will by the time of Win12 or Win13.