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The opinions of Americans in particular on this issue are very relevant. The U.S provides Israel with a diplomatic, military and financial blank check. Many of

by g8oz 5y ago

The opinions of Americans in particular on this issue are very relevant. The U.S provides Israel with a diplomatic, military and financial blank check. Many of the most aggressive elements of the settler movement that makes life so difficult for Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are funded by American non-profit groups like the Central Fund of Israel. In addition some 60,000 ideologically driven American citizens are living as settlers in the West Bank.

wolverine876 5y ago
As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+site%3Anytimes.com&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...
- threatofrain 5y ago
  You should link directly to the sources you curate, rather than just linking a duckduckgo search.
  - slipframe 5y ago
    He seems to be right according to Pew in 2014: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-support-for-israel-in-u-s-cuts-across-religious-lines/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-supp... > Pew Research surveys find that similar shares of Christians (29%) and Jews (31%) say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel. Among white evangelical Protestants, nearly half (46%) say that the U.S. is not providing enough support for Israel.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Says who? Why?
  - Gustomaximus 5y ago
    Context matters, but often I like a search result over article. When someone knows vast majority of results go the stated direction vs here is an article that supports a view as often that is bias writing. A search result link to a degree shows greater neutrality vs particular press in the right context.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel to satisfy the conditions of their apocalyptic fables.
  - dang 5y ago
    Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this, regardless of whose religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - simondotau 5y ago
      I'm confused why this post was described as "flamewar" as it's a single sentence of factually correct information.[1] The only part I'd take issue with is the use of the word "fable". Fables are succinct short stories which end in a moral lesson—and the apocalyptic Book of Revelation is neither short nor moral. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h...
      - pvg 5y ago
        https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=author%3Adang%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
      - pstuart 5y ago
        I was writing up a sibling reply and then caught the last word of the flagged statement. Using "fables" is dismissive and contentious. I agree with the assessment but perhaps if it was phased as: "Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel for their anticipated apocalypse." Or something like that. Unfortunately "people of faith" tend to take any sort of criticism of the mechanics of their faith as a personal attack. Pity.
jeofken 5y ago
After watching presidential candidates speak for groups like AIPAC it seems donors “incentivise” the candidates to support their greatest ally with billions, and without this support, winning the election is unfeasible. A small investment giving a big return, out of the pockets of Americans. Trump speaking to AIPAC https://youtu.be/fQgDgMGuDI0 https://youtu.be/fQgDgMGuDI0 Couldn’t find a video of the current president, but here is from when he was Vice President, before the dementia https://youtu.be/uA-ZnIX9wak https://youtu.be/uA-ZnIX9wak

by g8oz 5y ago

wolverine876 5y ago

As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+site%3Anytimes.com&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...

threatofrain 5y ago
You should link directly to the sources you curate, rather than just linking a duckduckgo search.
- slipframe 5y ago
  He seems to be right according to Pew in 2014: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-support-for-israel-in-u-s-cuts-across-religious-lines/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-supp... > Pew Research surveys find that similar shares of Christians (29%) and Jews (31%) say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel. Among white evangelical Protestants, nearly half (46%) say that the U.S. is not providing enough support for Israel.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Says who? Why?
- Gustomaximus 5y ago
  Context matters, but often I like a search result over article. When someone knows vast majority of results go the stated direction vs here is an article that supports a view as often that is bias writing. A search result link to a degree shows greater neutrality vs particular press in the right context.
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel to satisfy the conditions of their apocalyptic fables.
- dang 5y ago
  Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this, regardless of whose religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - simondotau 5y ago
    I'm confused why this post was described as "flamewar" as it's a single sentence of factually correct information.[1] The only part I'd take issue with is the use of the word "fable". Fables are succinct short stories which end in a moral lesson—and the apocalyptic Book of Revelation is neither short nor moral. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h...
    - pvg 5y ago
      https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=author%3Adang%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
    - pstuart 5y ago
      I was writing up a sibling reply and then caught the last word of the flagged statement. Using "fables" is dismissive and contentious. I agree with the assessment but perhaps if it was phased as: "Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel for their anticipated apocalypse." Or something like that. Unfortunately "people of faith" tend to take any sort of criticism of the mechanics of their faith as a personal attack. Pity.

jeofken 5y ago

After watching presidential candidates speak for groups like AIPAC it seems donors “incentivise” the candidates to support their greatest ally with billions, and without this support, winning the election is unfeasible. A small investment giving a big return, out of the pockets of Americans. Trump speaking to AIPAC https://youtu.be/fQgDgMGuDI0 https://youtu.be/fQgDgMGuDI0 Couldn’t find a video of the current president, but here is from when he was Vice President, before the dementia https://youtu.be/uA-ZnIX9wak https://youtu.be/uA-ZnIX9wak