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It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.

bradleyjg 5y ago
Are we allowed to anything else—-or just eat, sleep, and speak out about badness in the world?
- Ozzie_osman 5y ago
  You're right. I had to quit my job and stop caring for my family because I was spending so much time occasionally speaking up about things I thought were bad in the world. I also occasionally donate small amounts to causes I believe in and so I better check my bank account because I'm probably broke. /s
BeFlatXIII 5y ago
There are only so many hours in a day. This should be true at the community level, but an individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact.
- slim 5y ago
  He does not have to care about every injustice every time. But he should not be proud about not caring.
  - justanotherguy0 5y ago
    Why not? Who cares? Like he said, this is far from the worst conflict going on right now and it receives a disproportionate amount of interest. I don't care about the conflict in china or in Yemen or in syria. Because I'm a coherent person, I also don't care about what's happening in israel.
    - glogla 5y ago
      Because being proud of lack of empathy and just ... humanity is pretty fucked up?
      - novok 5y ago
        You literally do not have enough time to care about all the travesties in the world, you will just 'care' about them taking up all of your time while doing nothing to actually improve the world. You are 1 human of billions, you try to make the world better as much as one average human can. Which is for most people, raising their children well, being a good person and doing good work. You only have energy for one cause I like to say, it's up to you to choose it. So beyond a general sense of "these things suck and I emphasize, but I don't have time to think about it", there is really not much else you should do beyond that if your not actually going to do anything about it other than read some media, feel some emotions and have opinions about something you have remote to zero experience in and zero power or desire to actually do anything about it. And after that one, you have the other 100'000 small and large travesties to process.
      - justanotherguy0 5y ago
        Everything you hear and see about the wider world is because somebody else with much more power than you decided you should. By letting them decide what you care about, you've delegated your decision-making. I think that's fucked up. Also everything the other commenter said is right.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > n individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact One solution, a well-established one, is to focus on universal human rights. The rising tide will lift all boats. Also, caring does not necessarily mean action. I do have limited time, but I've heard the above used as an excuse for most of my life, and used to subscribe to it. I've learned that while people are talking about whether and how and should you care, you can just do something. It's that easy.
  - HKH2 5y ago
    When you can't even get major powers on board with universal human rights, what hope have you of going after others? They seem about as effective as the UN itself.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      Major powers have been on board with universal human rights since WWII. They aren't always perfect, but the effort and progress since then is astounding. Look at the world now vs 1945, or 1845!
- werber 5y ago
  Intersectionality is just viewing all struggles commonality. You can focus on whatever you want and center it with regard to everything else that’s wrong. For me, that’s been a very hopeful concept because you obviously can’t do a million things at once.
stefan_ 5y ago
Or maybe you start to question why you are being fed agitprop about X while your government is doing Y?
- Ozzie_osman 5y ago
  Not mutually exclusive.
canadianfella 5y ago
Anyone who starts sentences with “it’s almost like” is a huge dork.
throwaway894345 5y ago
And Jews.
- Ozzie_osman 5y ago
  Absolutely!
Berobero 5y ago
As a general principle, yes, all of humanity matters, and all grave matters deserve grave attention. At the same time, how a given issue impacts you and those around you, how much influence you can possibly have over the matter, and how much responsibility you and those like you truly bare in its existence are all of upmost importance when deciding where you should be putting your emphasis, morally speaking. For example, for your typical US citizen, decrying the plight of the Uyghurs is fine in principle. But if one goes and weights things relative to the above criteria -- though admittedly there's no clean way to do so -- I'd argue that China's Uyghur genocide would not even make the top 100 of things that deserve to be morally prioritized (again, by your typical US citizen). And forgive me if I read to far into what you wrote past what you intended; it just struck me as possibly flattening a bit too much.
rayiner 5y ago
That’s not what I’m driving at. My point is that there is a reason Bangladeshis all learn about Israel oppressing Palestine but don’t care about other Bangladeshis being worked to death in the Middle East. There’s a reason that’s the thing that gets people’s attention compared to all the other human rights issues out there.
- Udik 5y ago
  There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europeans in one of Islam's most historic places? Or maybe the reason is that, different from other injustices, this one is brazenly denied both by the perpetrators and by those who should be witnesses? Because an injustice will upset, but there is nothing more enraging than seeing those in power deny the obvious and pretend that the perpetrators are victims. So there can be many reasons. Why do you choose the one that, once somehow transferred 5500 km from Bangladesh to Palestine (not sure how much they have in common), puts the Palestinians' struggle in the worst possible light?
  - poisonarena 5y ago
    Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled), this is a common myth that Israeli's are "european", there is many from Eastern Europe, and there are many ashkenazi jewish immigrants from the USA, but this is a fraction. And Jerusalem is the holiest place for Jews, and it has been since before Islam existed
    - luffapi 5y ago
      What you say is not true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
      - poisonarena 5y ago
        yes it is, look at the numbers. 26 percent from europe, 27 percent from "non white" Middle east mainly, would be 28-29 percent but I am not including potential mizrahim from USA/Canada, even though many are probably persian/iraqi origin.

bradleyjg 5y ago

Are we allowed to anything else—-or just eat, sleep, and speak out about badness in the world?

Ozzie_osman 5y ago
You're right. I had to quit my job and stop caring for my family because I was spending so much time occasionally speaking up about things I thought were bad in the world. I also occasionally donate small amounts to causes I believe in and so I better check my bank account because I'm probably broke. /s

BeFlatXIII 5y ago

There are only so many hours in a day. This should be true at the community level, but an individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact.

slim 5y ago
He does not have to care about every injustice every time. But he should not be proud about not caring.
- justanotherguy0 5y ago
  Why not? Who cares? Like he said, this is far from the worst conflict going on right now and it receives a disproportionate amount of interest. I don't care about the conflict in china or in Yemen or in syria. Because I'm a coherent person, I also don't care about what's happening in israel.
  - glogla 5y ago
    Because being proud of lack of empathy and just ... humanity is pretty fucked up?
    - novok 5y ago
      You literally do not have enough time to care about all the travesties in the world, you will just 'care' about them taking up all of your time while doing nothing to actually improve the world. You are 1 human of billions, you try to make the world better as much as one average human can. Which is for most people, raising their children well, being a good person and doing good work. You only have energy for one cause I like to say, it's up to you to choose it. So beyond a general sense of "these things suck and I emphasize, but I don't have time to think about it", there is really not much else you should do beyond that if your not actually going to do anything about it other than read some media, feel some emotions and have opinions about something you have remote to zero experience in and zero power or desire to actually do anything about it. And after that one, you have the other 100'000 small and large travesties to process.
    - justanotherguy0 5y ago
      Everything you hear and see about the wider world is because somebody else with much more power than you decided you should. By letting them decide what you care about, you've delegated your decision-making. I think that's fucked up. Also everything the other commenter said is right.
wolverine876 5y ago
> n individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact One solution, a well-established one, is to focus on universal human rights. The rising tide will lift all boats. Also, caring does not necessarily mean action. I do have limited time, but I've heard the above used as an excuse for most of my life, and used to subscribe to it. I've learned that while people are talking about whether and how and should you care, you can just do something. It's that easy.
- HKH2 5y ago
  When you can't even get major powers on board with universal human rights, what hope have you of going after others? They seem about as effective as the UN itself.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Major powers have been on board with universal human rights since WWII. They aren't always perfect, but the effort and progress since then is astounding. Look at the world now vs 1945, or 1845!
werber 5y ago
Intersectionality is just viewing all struggles commonality. You can focus on whatever you want and center it with regard to everything else that’s wrong. For me, that’s been a very hopeful concept because you obviously can’t do a million things at once.

stefan_ 5y ago

Or maybe you start to question why you are being fed agitprop about X while your government is doing Y?

Ozzie_osman 5y ago
Not mutually exclusive.

canadianfella 5y ago

Anyone who starts sentences with “it’s almost like” is a huge dork.

throwaway894345 5y ago

And Jews.

Ozzie_osman 5y ago
Absolutely!

Berobero 5y ago

As a general principle, yes, all of humanity matters, and all grave matters deserve grave attention. At the same time, how a given issue impacts you and those around you, how much influence you can possibly have over the matter, and how much responsibility you and those like you truly bare in its existence are all of upmost importance when deciding where you should be putting your emphasis, morally speaking. For example, for your typical US citizen, decrying the plight of the Uyghurs is fine in principle. But if one goes and weights things relative to the above criteria -- though admittedly there's no clean way to do so -- I'd argue that China's Uyghur genocide would not even make the top 100 of things that deserve to be morally prioritized (again, by your typical US citizen). And forgive me if I read to far into what you wrote past what you intended; it just struck me as possibly flattening a bit too much.

rayiner 5y ago

That’s not what I’m driving at. My point is that there is a reason Bangladeshis all learn about Israel oppressing Palestine but don’t care about other Bangladeshis being worked to death in the Middle East. There’s a reason that’s the thing that gets people’s attention compared to all the other human rights issues out there.

Udik 5y ago
There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europeans in one of Islam's most historic places? Or maybe the reason is that, different from other injustices, this one is brazenly denied both by the perpetrators and by those who should be witnesses? Because an injustice will upset, but there is nothing more enraging than seeing those in power deny the obvious and pretend that the perpetrators are victims. So there can be many reasons. Why do you choose the one that, once somehow transferred 5500 km from Bangladesh to Palestine (not sure how much they have in common), puts the Palestinians' struggle in the worst possible light?
- poisonarena 5y ago
  Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled), this is a common myth that Israeli's are "european", there is many from Eastern Europe, and there are many ashkenazi jewish immigrants from the USA, but this is a fraction. And Jerusalem is the holiest place for Jews, and it has been since before Islam existed
  - luffapi 5y ago
    What you say is not true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
    - poisonarena 5y ago
      yes it is, look at the numbers. 26 percent from europe, 27 percent from "non white" Middle east mainly, would be 28-29 percent but I am not including potential mizrahim from USA/Canada, even though many are probably persian/iraqi origin.