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Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevi

Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevich, or Russia re Navalny. Zero integrity.

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lbwtaylor 5y ago
Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?
- 2939223 5y ago
  Yes: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligence-sources-discussed-poisoning-julian-assange-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligenc...
  - threeseed 5y ago
    That's an unproven allegation. Navalny was actually poisoned.
    - ComputerGuru 5y ago
      These were claims made in court, during formal hearings. They weren’t disputed, and as such, they are part of the official court record and are worth more than random hearsay. The US’ repsponse (as quoted) was that these allegations were “wholly irrelevant.” That doesn’t sound like a denunciation or denial to me.
      - threeseed 5y ago
        Anybody can make claims in court and the US government is hardly going to confirm or deny poisoning someone. It's an unproven allegation and a world away from Navalny who was actually poisoned.
        kcatskcolbdi 5y ago
        Why would the US government not deny poisoning someone?
  - lbwtaylor 5y ago
    I know HN loves Assange but comparing an unsubstantiated stamenent that US persons talked about extreme measures, vs actual poisoning is pretty weak.
- belorn 5y ago
  Do the US need to extra judicially murder Assange in order to make an example of him? I can imagine what would happen if Russia tried the same tactic as the US and used diplomatic channels in order to successfully influence the legal systems in countries like the UK and Sweden.
  - lbwtaylor 5y ago
    Are you proud of what Assange actually did in Sweden? Taking off a condom mid sex or lying about wearing one? It's called stealthing and very much a terrible thing to do.
    - Dah00n 5y ago
      You just lost the discussion.
    - vermilingua 5y ago
      Those charges magically appeared when the US wanted him on their soil, and equally magically disappeared when it looked like they had their hands on him. Is inventing a rape charge in order to kidnap a journalist also a terrible thing to do, in your opinion?
    - pbak 5y ago
      You have fallen victim to and are repeating a propaganda lie. As documented by judicial procedure (Swedish equivalent to FOIA), the "stealthing" was a pure invention by the police. It was added days later _as ordered by email_ by the hierarchical superior of the policewoman who typed the statement of the second woman. This was done against the original wishes of both women, and contrary to what they originally said. Even calling it a statement is a misnomer (read more further on that subject). That happened after tabloids had published that a rape had allegedly happened, somehow with the name of the victims. The changed was annulled later, after the fact, when this was found out. Proof/source : you can see said email in full as part of the interview by Republik.ch of the UN Special Reporteur of Torture. Link https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea... --- What the story actually is, as documented as a matter of judicial procedure : The first woman had had consensual relations with Assange, knowingly without a condom, as she herself witnessed; the second woman had consensual sex one day after; she found out after he left the condom was broken; they found out about each other a little later. Before asking Assange directly, they wanted to know if they could make Assange take an HIV test. They went to ask a policewoman friend of the first if that was possible. Neither didn't want to make a statement, nor sign one, nor report a crime. The policewoman wrote it down just in case. Two hours later Swedish tabloids report Assange raped somebody. The condom, as tested later on, somehow contained no DNA of Assange's. There was lot more fishy happening on the prosecutor's side, but it's beside this comments' points.

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lbwtaylor 5y ago

Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?

2939223 5y ago
Yes: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligence-sources-discussed-poisoning-julian-assange-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligenc...
- threeseed 5y ago
  That's an unproven allegation. Navalny was actually poisoned.
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    These were claims made in court, during formal hearings. They weren’t disputed, and as such, they are part of the official court record and are worth more than random hearsay. The US’ repsponse (as quoted) was that these allegations were “wholly irrelevant.” That doesn’t sound like a denunciation or denial to me.
    - threeseed 5y ago
      Anybody can make claims in court and the US government is hardly going to confirm or deny poisoning someone. It's an unproven allegation and a world away from Navalny who was actually poisoned.
      - kcatskcolbdi 5y ago
        Why would the US government not deny poisoning someone?
- lbwtaylor 5y ago
  I know HN loves Assange but comparing an unsubstantiated stamenent that US persons talked about extreme measures, vs actual poisoning is pretty weak.
belorn 5y ago
Do the US need to extra judicially murder Assange in order to make an example of him? I can imagine what would happen if Russia tried the same tactic as the US and used diplomatic channels in order to successfully influence the legal systems in countries like the UK and Sweden.
- lbwtaylor 5y ago
  Are you proud of what Assange actually did in Sweden? Taking off a condom mid sex or lying about wearing one? It's called stealthing and very much a terrible thing to do.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    You just lost the discussion.
  - vermilingua 5y ago
    Those charges magically appeared when the US wanted him on their soil, and equally magically disappeared when it looked like they had their hands on him. Is inventing a rape charge in order to kidnap a journalist also a terrible thing to do, in your opinion?
  - pbak 5y ago
    You have fallen victim to and are repeating a propaganda lie. As documented by judicial procedure (Swedish equivalent to FOIA), the "stealthing" was a pure invention by the police. It was added days later _as ordered by email_ by the hierarchical superior of the policewoman who typed the statement of the second woman. This was done against the original wishes of both women, and contrary to what they originally said. Even calling it a statement is a misnomer (read more further on that subject). That happened after tabloids had published that a rape had allegedly happened, somehow with the name of the victims. The changed was annulled later, after the fact, when this was found out. Proof/source : you can see said email in full as part of the interview by Republik.ch of the UN Special Reporteur of Torture. Link https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea... --- What the story actually is, as documented as a matter of judicial procedure : The first woman had had consensual relations with Assange, knowingly without a condom, as she herself witnessed; the second woman had consensual sex one day after; she found out after he left the condom was broken; they found out about each other a little later. Before asking Assange directly, they wanted to know if they could make Assange take an HIV test. They went to ask a policewoman friend of the first if that was possible. Neither didn't want to make a statement, nor sign one, nor report a crime. The policewoman wrote it down just in case. Two hours later Swedish tabloids report Assange raped somebody. The condom, as tested later on, somehow contained no DNA of Assange's. There was lot more fishy happening on the prosecutor's side, but it's beside this comments' points.