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Yep. The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity has members who have done good work for the public and the country. However, the memo referenced in your

Yep. The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity has members who have done good work for the public and the country. However, the memo referenced in your link did not even have the backing all the group's members and its arguments have been persuasively criticized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#The_DNC_hack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professio...

rendall 5y ago
These results are debatable and inconclusive, which is the entire point. If you're going to accuse a sitting President of collusion, you had best have all your ducks in a row. Anything less can be perceived as, or even be indeed, partisan hackery.
- extra88 5y ago
  Why are you bringing up Trump? This is about whether Russians hacked the DNC's email, that doesn't require collusion or even awareness from the Trump campaign. But since you did bring him up, it reminded me that in July 2016, weeks after the DNC announced being breached, he publicly called on Russia to release information about Clinton. Candidate Donald J. Trump, verbally and in writing, called on a foreign government to interfere with the presidential campaign against his opponent; doing it in public doesn't make it okay. "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens. […] By the way, they hacked — they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see." I don't think "collusion" is the right term for what he did (the attempts to access emails had started in March); I don't know what the right term is, I just know it's not okay.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    Yeah, we get it. Years of life invested in following the mumbling press who assured with certainty that overturning just one more insider-source stone would reveal that holy grail, all for naught. The real “collusion” was hoping for transparency and accountability, which was denied by our intel agencies from the get-go. Everything after was merely a tail-chasing exercise.

rendall 5y ago

These results are debatable and inconclusive, which is the entire point. If you're going to accuse a sitting President of collusion, you had best have all your ducks in a row. Anything less can be perceived as, or even be indeed, partisan hackery.

extra88 5y ago
Why are you bringing up Trump? This is about whether Russians hacked the DNC's email, that doesn't require collusion or even awareness from the Trump campaign. But since you did bring him up, it reminded me that in July 2016, weeks after the DNC announced being breached, he publicly called on Russia to release information about Clinton. Candidate Donald J. Trump, verbally and in writing, called on a foreign government to interfere with the presidential campaign against his opponent; doing it in public doesn't make it okay. "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens. […] By the way, they hacked — they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see." I don't think "collusion" is the right term for what he did (the attempts to access emails had started in March); I don't know what the right term is, I just know it's not okay.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Yeah, we get it. Years of life invested in following the mumbling press who assured with certainty that overturning just one more insider-source stone would reveal that holy grail, all for naught. The real “collusion” was hoping for transparency and accountability, which was denied by our intel agencies from the get-go. Everything after was merely a tail-chasing exercise.