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Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device?

Decker87 5y ago
Everything's a tradeoff.
worble 5y ago
I'm really tired of companies hiding behind "security" when it comes to ruining my experience every time I get an update. If they want me to be secure, package essential security updates into seperate downloads.
- gary_0 5y ago
  I consider updates that break workflow or violate privacy to be security risks in themselves.
WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
Ads are bad behavior they are protecting themselves from.
maccard 5y ago
Are you afraid of someone remotely pushing an update that pushes ads disguised as content to your device?
hulitu 5y ago
> Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device? So you mean ads are increasing security ?
nonbirithm 5y ago
The big issue with major OS updates for me is that the security updates are bundled with the feature updates. That's why updating Android on my old phone stopped being feasable, when the increased performance requirements caused it to remain persistently hot and unresponsive. Not just the security updates, but also things like APIs that prevent some applications from being compatible. Still, I have to wonder how much of a tradeoff would be possible when all the code is managed together, and the security and feature updates would be interwoven in the same repo. There is only so much manpower available to keep maintaining every version of each update.
- lstamour 5y ago
  New in iOS 14/15: > Software Updates > iOS now offers a choice between two software update versions in the Settings app. You can update to the latest version of iOS 15 as soon as it’s released for the latest features and most complete set of security updates. Or continue on iOS 14 and still get important security updates until you’re ready to upgrade to the next major version. https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15-preview/features/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15-preview/features/
  - ronsor 5y ago
    Apple, the antithesis of user choice, is even now offering an option between upgrading and getting security updates.
    - novok 5y ago
      Apple is better in some choices vs others, and has been for a while.
- kmonsen 5y ago
  To be clear Android the operating system offers targeted security updates. The device manufactures prefers to package them with feature updates. I guess it doesn’t matter for users.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    Aren't many core components now taken care of by the Google Play Services library that's updated separately to avoid carriers and manufacturers from delaying critical security updates because they need to package and test these with all their bloatware crap?
    - kmonsen 5y ago
      Play services do not get just security updates, that’s true. It’s pretty hard to not have that up to date on an Android phone anyway.
rtkwe 5y ago
It's just the home screen so it shouldn't be that much of a security hole. If it were the OS it'd be a bigger concern.
pmlnr 5y ago
Not automatically. So many updates these days have nothing to do with security, just with "feautes" nobody asked for apart from random product manager who needs his paycheck.

Everything's a tradeoff.

I'm really tired of companies hiding behind "security" when it comes to ruining my experience every time I get an update. If they want me to be secure, package essential security updates into seperate downloads.

gary_0 5y ago
I consider updates that break workflow or violate privacy to be security risks in themselves.

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago

Ads are bad behavior they are protecting themselves from.

maccard 5y ago

Are you afraid of someone remotely pushing an update that pushes ads disguised as content to your device?

hulitu 5y ago

> Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device? So you mean ads are increasing security ?

nonbirithm 5y ago

The big issue with major OS updates for me is that the security updates are bundled with the feature updates. That's why updating Android on my old phone stopped being feasable, when the increased performance requirements caused it to remain persistently hot and unresponsive. Not just the security updates, but also things like APIs that prevent some applications from being compatible. Still, I have to wonder how much of a tradeoff would be possible when all the code is managed together, and the security and feature updates would be interwoven in the same repo. There is only so much manpower available to keep maintaining every version of each update.

lstamour 5y ago
New in iOS 14/15: > Software Updates > iOS now offers a choice between two software update versions in the Settings app. You can update to the latest version of iOS 15 as soon as it’s released for the latest features and most complete set of security updates. Or continue on iOS 14 and still get important security updates until you’re ready to upgrade to the next major version. https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15-preview/features/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15-preview/features/
- ronsor 5y ago
  Apple, the antithesis of user choice, is even now offering an option between upgrading and getting security updates.
  - novok 5y ago
    Apple is better in some choices vs others, and has been for a while.
kmonsen 5y ago
To be clear Android the operating system offers targeted security updates. The device manufactures prefers to package them with feature updates. I guess it doesn’t matter for users.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Aren't many core components now taken care of by the Google Play Services library that's updated separately to avoid carriers and manufacturers from delaying critical security updates because they need to package and test these with all their bloatware crap?
  - kmonsen 5y ago
    Play services do not get just security updates, that’s true. It’s pretty hard to not have that up to date on an Android phone anyway.

rtkwe 5y ago

It's just the home screen so it shouldn't be that much of a security hole. If it were the OS it'd be a bigger concern.

pmlnr 5y ago

Not automatically. So many updates these days have nothing to do with security, just with "feautes" nobody asked for apart from random product manager who needs his paycheck.