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How does this compare with something like Matrix, which also does decentralized encrypted communications? https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/

by udia 5y ago

dane-pgp 5y ago
I'm wondering that too, or specifically how it compares to Matrix run as a Tor hidden service, which is apparently possible: https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2111#issuecomment-474269271 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2111#issuecomme...
remram 5y ago
I'm not sure if Cootch is federated, like Matrix, or peer-to-peer. I assume the first, if Tor is being used? Berry also sounds similar, although it is not released yet: https://berty.tech/ https://berty.tech/
- celticninja 5y ago
  It's Cwtch, pronounced more like Cutch than Cootch Edit. Cutch was supposed to be more of a phonetic way to pronounce it as opposed to a word with a similar sound.
  - some_furry 5y ago
    Like "clutch" without the "L"?
    - celticninja 5y ago
      Close. This is from the homepage: How do I pronounce Cwtch? Like "kutch", to rhyme with "butch". In common use you might say "Cwtch in" to mean "snuggle in" or "cuddle in close'
      - some_furry 5y ago
        That is a really damn cute name
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  - remram 5y ago
    I don't know how either "butch" or "cutch" is pronounced. You might want to offer a common word for people who did not grow up in America... edit: butcher?
    - celticninja 5y ago
      This may help, although I would have thought butch was common enough. E.g. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid https://www.google.com/search?q=define+butch&oq=define+butch&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j0i457.4626j1j4&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define+butch&oq=define+butch...
    - celticninja 5y ago
      Yes, butch is like butcher but without the "er"
  - syzygyhack 5y ago
    Really? Intuitively it looks like it should be pronounced "Switch" to me.
    - celticninja 5y ago
      One thing the Welsh language is not, is intuitive.
    - grey_earthling 5y ago
      Vowels in Welsh are not pronounced like they are in English. (“Cwtch” is Welsh for “hug”. I know this because there's a good beer called Cwtch.)
sarahjamielewis 5y ago
Hi Sarah from Open Privacy / Cwtch team here - the main major difference is that Cwtch servers are completely untrusted under the risk model - they don't learn anything about the groups they are hosting, who is a member of which group, or who each message is for. The design for groups is still in flux, and they are marked experimental but there are a few more details in our Secure Development Handbook https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/groups.html https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/groups.h... Metadata resistant group comms is still a fairly large open research problem, and we are also working on the research side to reduce some of the bandwidth requirements that are currently required by our group protocol: https://git.openprivacy.ca/openprivacy/niwl https://git.openprivacy.ca/openprivacy/niwl
- bjt2n3904 5y ago
  Interesting project! I've been looking for something to replace Signal, and this scratches an itch. I see that you're using Tor to route messages? How would mobile devices fair with Tor connections when they go to sleep?
  - sarahjamielewis 5y ago
    On Android we implement a background service that will wake up periodically and either use the active tor connection or start a new one if the kernel has stopped it for any reason - and also reconnects the UI. This makes Cwtch connections fairly stable on android devices - even for p2p. However, it also means that Cwtch on Android is fairly battery intensive. We provide a way to easily shutdown Cwtch completely for this reason - and we are researching ways to minimize power consumption (both through tor optimizations and alternative anonymous communication networks)
- kitkat_new 5y ago
  how will it compare to P2P Matrix?

How does this compare with something like Matrix, which also does decentralized encrypted communications? https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/

by udia 5y ago

How does this compare with something like Matrix, which also does decentralized encrypted communications? https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/

dane-pgp 5y ago

I'm wondering that too, or specifically how it compares to Matrix run as a Tor hidden service, which is apparently possible: https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2111#issuecomment-474269271 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2111#issuecomme...

remram 5y ago

I'm not sure if Cootch is federated, like Matrix, or peer-to-peer. I assume the first, if Tor is being used? Berry also sounds similar, although it is not released yet: https://berty.tech/ https://berty.tech/

celticninja 5y ago
It's Cwtch, pronounced more like Cutch than Cootch Edit. Cutch was supposed to be more of a phonetic way to pronounce it as opposed to a word with a similar sound.
- some_furry 5y ago
  Like "clutch" without the "L"?
  - celticninja 5y ago
    Close. This is from the homepage: How do I pronounce Cwtch? Like "kutch", to rhyme with "butch". In common use you might say "Cwtch in" to mean "snuggle in" or "cuddle in close'
    - some_furry 5y ago
      That is a really damn cute name
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- remram 5y ago
  I don't know how either "butch" or "cutch" is pronounced. You might want to offer a common word for people who did not grow up in America... edit: butcher?
  - celticninja 5y ago
    This may help, although I would have thought butch was common enough. E.g. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid https://www.google.com/search?q=define+butch&oq=define+butch&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j0i457.4626j1j4&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define+butch&oq=define+butch...
  - celticninja 5y ago
    Yes, butch is like butcher but without the "er"
- syzygyhack 5y ago
  Really? Intuitively it looks like it should be pronounced "Switch" to me.
  - celticninja 5y ago
    One thing the Welsh language is not, is intuitive.
  - grey_earthling 5y ago
    Vowels in Welsh are not pronounced like they are in English. (“Cwtch” is Welsh for “hug”. I know this because there's a good beer called Cwtch.)

sarahjamielewis 5y ago

Hi Sarah from Open Privacy / Cwtch team here - the main major difference is that Cwtch servers are completely untrusted under the risk model - they don't learn anything about the groups they are hosting, who is a member of which group, or who each message is for. The design for groups is still in flux, and they are marked experimental but there are a few more details in our Secure Development Handbook https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/groups.html https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/groups.h... Metadata resistant group comms is still a fairly large open research problem, and we are also working on the research side to reduce some of the bandwidth requirements that are currently required by our group protocol: https://git.openprivacy.ca/openprivacy/niwl https://git.openprivacy.ca/openprivacy/niwl

bjt2n3904 5y ago
Interesting project! I've been looking for something to replace Signal, and this scratches an itch. I see that you're using Tor to route messages? How would mobile devices fair with Tor connections when they go to sleep?
- sarahjamielewis 5y ago
  On Android we implement a background service that will wake up periodically and either use the active tor connection or start a new one if the kernel has stopped it for any reason - and also reconnects the UI. This makes Cwtch connections fairly stable on android devices - even for p2p. However, it also means that Cwtch on Android is fairly battery intensive. We provide a way to easily shutdown Cwtch completely for this reason - and we are researching ways to minimize power consumption (both through tor optimizations and alternative anonymous communication networks)
kitkat_new 5y ago
how will it compare to P2P Matrix?