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I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet

I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.

pstuart 5y ago
It is interesting that apparently the GOP's email server was hacked as well, but nothing was ever released publicly. I'm no fan at all of the DNC but if "all politicians are dirty" is a thing, then why did no dirt spill out from the other side? Was it more valuable as kompromat?
- zionic 5y ago
  Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    > The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. You have proof of that? This says otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-... I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if I did love the Dems, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge any and all failings of theirs. Can you say the same thing?
    - ta2162 5y ago
      That article literally agrees with the GP that the RNC was not hacked but the DNC was...
  - pstuart 5y ago
    What do you mean by "they got everything done"?
- nnvcxsstb 5y ago
  Let's see your source for the claim that the GOP server was hacked
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Assumptions are be made, yes. But my comment was not intended to be tribalistic -- shit's being hacked everywhere. https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/ https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-of-top-nrcc-officials-stolen-in-major-2018-hack-1043309 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-o... If WikiLeaks is about exposing corruption doesn't it seem like they'd do so across party lines? I don't trust either party but I also don't trust WikiLeaks to be operating without agenda as well.
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      You've provided nothing suggesting Wikileaks was offered the RNC hack and chose not to publish it.
- Applejinx 5y ago
  Yup. Looks like it still is. You don't burn your own people unless they are very bad.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    Idle conspiracy speculation you’ve provided here.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Also note that, at that time, the Trump organisation was running an EOL’ed MS Exchange server. It’s reasonable to assume it was vulnerable and that all information it contained was leaked.
rendall 5y ago
Extraordinary claims (Trump colludes with Russians, Russians hack DNC) requires extraordinary evidence. In over 5 years, this has not been presented.
- belltaco 5y ago
  Plenty of evidence has been shown for this part: >Russians hack DNC
  - rendall 5y ago
    No. There isn't. There are lots of people saying they have evidence and referring to other people who say no its true they really have evidence. When you dig it's just circular self-references all the way down.
    - adrr 5y ago
      There’s a whole mueller report that was started and run by GOP. Person who started it was Rosenstein, a republican. Who picked Mueller another Republican. Why would they fake evidence against their own president?
      - the_optimist 5y ago
        This is idle speculation at best. It doesn’t attach to evidence, and it cannot be dispositive.
        adrr 5y ago
        Mueller charged Russians for the hack.
        the_optimist 5y ago
        Indicted. Famously prosecutors can indict ham sandwiches. Conviction is different. No such thing here.
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NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
>The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true. I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. People need to stop "thinking" in false dichotomies like left vs right or liberal vs. conservative. Astrology is six times smarter.
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- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles; Russia being tied to active hostile activity against Western regimes is politically inconvenient to that message.
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    >The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.
    - extra88 5y ago
      I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform: > We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO. You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia. https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform
      - landemva 5y ago
        I had not heard of that political party. Those positions seem smart and reasonable for a country drowning in deficit spending. Withdraw from NATO would be a good start. The not-to-be-praised former President attempted troop drawdown from Germany, which was quickly reversed earlier this year.
ozfive 5y ago
Reading the article it looks like the accusations have been fabricated by a pathological liar. Their star witness against JA is coming out and saying essentially he did it to run from Assange since he ripped WL off for $50k and now he's coming clean about making the whole thing up. The witness is a pedo/criminal as the witness for this whole case.

I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.

pstuart 5y ago

It is interesting that apparently the GOP's email server was hacked as well, but nothing was ever released publicly. I'm no fan at all of the DNC but if "all politicians are dirty" is a thing, then why did no dirt spill out from the other side? Was it more valuable as kompromat?

zionic 5y ago
Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.
- pstuart 5y ago
  > The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. You have proof of that? This says otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-... I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if I did love the Dems, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge any and all failings of theirs. Can you say the same thing?
  - ta2162 5y ago
    That article literally agrees with the GP that the RNC was not hacked but the DNC was...
- pstuart 5y ago
  What do you mean by "they got everything done"?
nnvcxsstb 5y ago
Let's see your source for the claim that the GOP server was hacked
- pstuart 5y ago
  Assumptions are be made, yes. But my comment was not intended to be tribalistic -- shit's being hacked everywhere. https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/ https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-of-top-nrcc-officials-stolen-in-major-2018-hack-1043309 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-o... If WikiLeaks is about exposing corruption doesn't it seem like they'd do so across party lines? I don't trust either party but I also don't trust WikiLeaks to be operating without agenda as well.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    You've provided nothing suggesting Wikileaks was offered the RNC hack and chose not to publish it.
Applejinx 5y ago
Yup. Looks like it still is. You don't burn your own people unless they are very bad.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Idle conspiracy speculation you’ve provided here.
rbanffy 5y ago
Also note that, at that time, the Trump organisation was running an EOL’ed MS Exchange server. It’s reasonable to assume it was vulnerable and that all information it contained was leaked.

rendall 5y ago

Extraordinary claims (Trump colludes with Russians, Russians hack DNC) requires extraordinary evidence. In over 5 years, this has not been presented.

belltaco 5y ago
Plenty of evidence has been shown for this part: >Russians hack DNC
- rendall 5y ago
  No. There isn't. There are lots of people saying they have evidence and referring to other people who say no its true they really have evidence. When you dig it's just circular self-references all the way down.
  - adrr 5y ago
    There’s a whole mueller report that was started and run by GOP. Person who started it was Rosenstein, a republican. Who picked Mueller another Republican. Why would they fake evidence against their own president?
    - the_optimist 5y ago
      This is idle speculation at best. It doesn’t attach to evidence, and it cannot be dispositive.
      - adrr 5y ago
        Mueller charged Russians for the hack.
        the_optimist 5y ago
        Indicted. Famously prosecutors can indict ham sandwiches. Conviction is different. No such thing here.

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NaturalPhallacy 5y ago

>The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true. I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. People need to stop "thinking" in false dichotomies like left vs right or liberal vs. conservative. Astrology is six times smarter.

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dragonwriter 5y ago
> I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles; Russia being tied to active hostile activity against Western regimes is politically inconvenient to that message.
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  >The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.
  - extra88 5y ago
    I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform: > We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO. You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia. https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform
    - landemva 5y ago
      I had not heard of that political party. Those positions seem smart and reasonable for a country drowning in deficit spending. Withdraw from NATO would be a good start. The not-to-be-praised former President attempted troop drawdown from Germany, which was quickly reversed earlier this year.

ozfive 5y ago

Reading the article it looks like the accusations have been fabricated by a pathological liar. Their star witness against JA is coming out and saying essentially he did it to run from Assange since he ripped WL off for $50k and now he's coming clean about making the whole thing up. The witness is a pedo/criminal as the witness for this whole case.