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> At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniability and Assange’s personal anti-US politics became a co
by johnchristopher 5y ago
> At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniability and Assange’s personal anti-US politics became a corrupting influence too.
There's a passage in Sarah Kendzior's book (Hiding in plain sight: the invention of Donald Trump and the erosion of America) which clicked (to me): ultimately things like wikileaks damage societies and governments that are transparent. You will always find more dirt and problems in public/accessible records than in dictatorships. These initiatives are doomed to be used at some points as tools against healthy democracies/open states.
edit: the passage
> Among the few who saw the threat clearly was computer scientist Jaron Lanier, who, in 2010, warned the public of a new danger: WikiLeaks. At the time, free speech advocates were hailing WikiLeaks, and its founder, Julian Assange, as defenders of government transparency. Their lionization of the leaker organization was largely due to frustration with the criminal impunity of the Bush administration. In February 2010, soldier Chelsea Manning exposed war crimes by sending classified documents to WikiLeaks, which WikiLeaks then published online. The emphasis on civilian victims led human rights advocates to believe that WikiLeaks would prove a formidable opponent for autocratic regimes. But after WikiLeaks dropped hacked documents from the US State Department in November, Lanier predicted the opposite—that WikiLeaks would ultimately ally with dictators and that social media networks would abet them:
>> The WikiLeaks method punishes a nation—or any human undertaking—that falls short of absolute, total transparency, which is all human undertakings, but perversely rewards an absolute lack of transparency. Thus an iron-shut government doesn’t have leaks to the site, but a mostly-open government does.
>> If the political world becomes a mirror of the Internet as we know it today, then the world will be restructured around opaque, digitally delineated power centers surrounded by a sea of chaotic, underachieving openness. WikiLeaks is one prototype of a digital power center, but others include hedge funds and social networking sites.
>> This is the world we are headed to, it seems, since people are unable to resist becoming organized according to the digital architectures that connect us. The only way out is to change the architecture.
> Social media sites didn’t change the architecture. Instead, over the course of the 2010s, the architecture changed us. The calculus of post–Cold War politics—that democracy spreads through engagement, that technology enhances freedom—was reversed. Hostile states used digital technology not only to attack their own citizens but to attempt to transform foreign democracies into dictatorships. We saw this with Russian influence operations in elections in the United States, France, and in the Brexit referendum, among others.10 The social media corporations that had once bragged of the internet’s liberating power now helped the hijackers of democracy. Networks like Facebook abetted, whether intentionally or not, the “iron triangles” of organized crime, state corruption, and corporate criminality, and they were aided by complicit Western actors content to let their own countries die while turning a profit.
- sonnyp 5y agoI believe the reason you are getting down voted isn't because you don't cite your source, but because the reasoning is absurd. > You will always find more dirt and problems in public/accessible records than in dictatorships. Wikileaks isn't some sort Wikipedia of public/accessible records, it's a platform to publish confidential information. If the US gov is a healthy, democratic, open gov, how and why can Wikileaks be so damaging? Should we stop newspapers?
- johnchristopher 5y ago> If the US gov is a healthy, democratic, open gov, how and why can Wikileaks be so damaging? Because we are still humans and fallible. No matter how healthy, open gov or democratic our governing bodies are I suppose there will always be something going off rails at some points and it's much easier to spot it in transparent governing structures (which usually means democracies) than in non-transparent ones (which usually means dictatorships). > > You will always find more dirt and problems in public/accessible records than in dictatorships. > Wikileaks isn't some sort Wikipedia of public/accessible records, it's a platform to publish confidential information. Yes, yes. But it's easier to feed wikileaks with information from democracies than from dictatorships. > I believe the reason you are getting down voted isn't because you don't cite your source, but because the reasoning is absurd. I am okay with downvotes ^^ as long as it's not a flamewar.
- sonnyp 5y ago> Because we are still humans and fallible. Did you look at what Wikileaks revealed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Leaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Leaks I don't think you realize the scale of what is happening. These aren't some cute human mistakes or tax evasion. We are talking war crimes, environmental disasters, political corruption, ... And yes - lots of it targets the US gov, maybe time to rethink what the US (and others) gov is and isn't ? This isn't the work of fallible humans, this is the work of malfunctioning states. Without Wikileaks, medias and investigation that reveals the wrongdoings ... dictatorship is at the end of the road. This is why the reasoning that Wikileaks helps dictatorships and hurts democracies is absurd.