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>The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. The

>The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. The US government claims this, but it's not been proven. >At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniability and Assange’s personal anti-US politics became a corrupting influence too. This is just more Russiagate nonsense: https://pics.me.me/russiagate-explained-wikileaks-posted-the-dnc-emails-that-showed-they-34778084.png https://pics.me.me/russiagate-explained-wikileaks-posted-the... >To what extent were the sex related charges against him political or flared up by nation state meddling? There are no charges. There never were any charges. There was an investigation and that's as far as it went. >UPDATE GREAT NEWS: Swedish prosecutors are about to announce the dropping of the investigation into Julian Assange on sexual offence allegations. There never were any charges and the allegations were always nonsense, as detailed in the below article I wrote a month ago: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/no-rape-charges-julian-assange-sweden-espionage-charges-julian-assange-usa/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/no-rape-char...

fossuser 5y ago
I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.
- pstuart 5y ago
  It is interesting that apparently the GOP's email server was hacked as well, but nothing was ever released publicly. I'm no fan at all of the DNC but if "all politicians are dirty" is a thing, then why did no dirt spill out from the other side? Was it more valuable as kompromat?
  - zionic 5y ago
    Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      > The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. You have proof of that? This says otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-... I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if I did love the Dems, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge any and all failings of theirs. Can you say the same thing?
      - ta2162 5y ago
        That article literally agrees with the GP that the RNC was not hacked but the DNC was...
    - pstuart 5y ago
      What do you mean by "they got everything done"?
  - nnvcxsstb 5y ago
    Let's see your source for the claim that the GOP server was hacked
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Assumptions are be made, yes. But my comment was not intended to be tribalistic -- shit's being hacked everywhere. https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/ https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-of-top-nrcc-officials-stolen-in-major-2018-hack-1043309 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-o... If WikiLeaks is about exposing corruption doesn't it seem like they'd do so across party lines? I don't trust either party but I also don't trust WikiLeaks to be operating without agenda as well.
      - boomboomsubban 5y ago
        You've provided nothing suggesting Wikileaks was offered the RNC hack and chose not to publish it.
  - Applejinx 5y ago
    Yup. Looks like it still is. You don't burn your own people unless they are very bad.
    - the_optimist 5y ago
      Idle conspiracy speculation you’ve provided here.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    Also note that, at that time, the Trump organisation was running an EOL’ed MS Exchange server. It’s reasonable to assume it was vulnerable and that all information it contained was leaked.
- rendall 5y ago
  Extraordinary claims (Trump colludes with Russians, Russians hack DNC) requires extraordinary evidence. In over 5 years, this has not been presented.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Plenty of evidence has been shown for this part: >Russians hack DNC
    - rendall 5y ago
      No. There isn't. There are lots of people saying they have evidence and referring to other people who say no its true they really have evidence. When you dig it's just circular self-references all the way down.
      - adrr 5y ago
        There’s a whole mueller report that was started and run by GOP. Person who started it was Rosenstein, a republican. Who picked Mueller another Republican. Why would they fake evidence against their own president?
        the_optimist 5y ago
        This is idle speculation at best. It doesn’t attach to evidence, and it cannot be dispositive.
        adrr 5y ago
        Mueller charged Russians for the hack.
        the_optimist 5y ago
        Indicted. Famously prosecutors can indict ham sandwiches. Conviction is different. No such thing here.
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- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  >The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true. I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. People need to stop "thinking" in false dichotomies like left vs right or liberal vs. conservative. Astrology is six times smarter.
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  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles; Russia being tied to active hostile activity against Western regimes is politically inconvenient to that message.
    - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
      >The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.
      - extra88 5y ago
        I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform: > We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO. You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia. https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform
        landemva 5y ago
        I had not heard of that political party. Those positions seem smart and reasonable for a country drowning in deficit spending. Withdraw from NATO would be a good start. The not-to-be-praised former President attempted troop drawdown from Germany, which was quickly reversed earlier this year.
- ozfive 5y ago
  Reading the article it looks like the accusations have been fabricated by a pathological liar. Their star witness against JA is coming out and saying essentially he did it to run from Assange since he ripped WL off for $50k and now he's coming clean about making the whole thing up. The witness is a pedo/criminal as the witness for this whole case.
philjohn 5y ago
The bar for extradition doesn't require the US to prove it - the only place they need to prove it is in court when he's in the US. And "Russiagate" is a bit more nuanced than that - Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them.
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  >Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them. [citation needed]
  - extra88 5y ago
    I haven't heard that claim before either. The Wikipedia sources for the DNC hack article [0] say the RNC wasn't successfully hacked. "GOP" refers to the entire Republican Party so I suppose there could be emails from a different Republican origin than the RNC. > intelligence organizations additionally concluded Russia attempted to hack the Republican National Committee (RNC) as well as the DNC but were prevented by security defenses on the RNC network. Searching for a source for the GOP claim did remind me of internal WikiLeaks messages from 2015 showing at least Assange's preference for the GOP over Hilary Clinton. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#United_States_intelligence_conclusions [1] https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/
  - slg 5y ago
    Emails specifically? I'm not sure if that has ever been confirmed, but this is directly from Assange[1]: >“We do have some information about the Republican campaign,” he said Friday, according to The Washington Post. >“I mean, it’s from a point of view of an investigative journalist organization like WikiLeaks, the problem with the Trump campaign is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial material than what comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth every second day," Assange said. When it comes to leaks about Democrats, everything is worth publishing. When it comes to leaks about Republicans, it needs to "controversial" to be worth publishing. [1] - https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293453-assange-wikileaks-trump-info-no-worse-than-him https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/2934...
ozfive 5y ago
>The US government claims this, but it's not been proven. Well now with their only witness coming out and saying that he lied about the whole thing and is receiving immunity for his testimony they've got shit-all.

fossuser 5y ago

I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.

pstuart 5y ago
It is interesting that apparently the GOP's email server was hacked as well, but nothing was ever released publicly. I'm no fan at all of the DNC but if "all politicians are dirty" is a thing, then why did no dirt spill out from the other side? Was it more valuable as kompromat?
- zionic 5y ago
  Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    > The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. You have proof of that? This says otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-... I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if I did love the Dems, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge any and all failings of theirs. Can you say the same thing?
    - ta2162 5y ago
      That article literally agrees with the GP that the RNC was not hacked but the DNC was...
  - pstuart 5y ago
    What do you mean by "they got everything done"?
- nnvcxsstb 5y ago
  Let's see your source for the claim that the GOP server was hacked
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Assumptions are be made, yes. But my comment was not intended to be tribalistic -- shit's being hacked everywhere. https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/ https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-of-top-nrcc-officials-stolen-in-major-2018-hack-1043309 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-o... If WikiLeaks is about exposing corruption doesn't it seem like they'd do so across party lines? I don't trust either party but I also don't trust WikiLeaks to be operating without agenda as well.
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      You've provided nothing suggesting Wikileaks was offered the RNC hack and chose not to publish it.
- Applejinx 5y ago
  Yup. Looks like it still is. You don't burn your own people unless they are very bad.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    Idle conspiracy speculation you’ve provided here.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Also note that, at that time, the Trump organisation was running an EOL’ed MS Exchange server. It’s reasonable to assume it was vulnerable and that all information it contained was leaked.
rendall 5y ago
Extraordinary claims (Trump colludes with Russians, Russians hack DNC) requires extraordinary evidence. In over 5 years, this has not been presented.
- belltaco 5y ago
  Plenty of evidence has been shown for this part: >Russians hack DNC
  - rendall 5y ago
    No. There isn't. There are lots of people saying they have evidence and referring to other people who say no its true they really have evidence. When you dig it's just circular self-references all the way down.
    - adrr 5y ago
      There’s a whole mueller report that was started and run by GOP. Person who started it was Rosenstein, a republican. Who picked Mueller another Republican. Why would they fake evidence against their own president?
      - the_optimist 5y ago
        This is idle speculation at best. It doesn’t attach to evidence, and it cannot be dispositive.
        adrr 5y ago
        Mueller charged Russians for the hack.
        the_optimist 5y ago
        Indicted. Famously prosecutors can indict ham sandwiches. Conviction is different. No such thing here.
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NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
>The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true. I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. People need to stop "thinking" in false dichotomies like left vs right or liberal vs. conservative. Astrology is six times smarter.
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- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles; Russia being tied to active hostile activity against Western regimes is politically inconvenient to that message.
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    >The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.
    - extra88 5y ago
      I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform: > We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO. You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia. https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform https://www.pacificgreens.org/platform
      - landemva 5y ago
        I had not heard of that political party. Those positions seem smart and reasonable for a country drowning in deficit spending. Withdraw from NATO would be a good start. The not-to-be-praised former President attempted troop drawdown from Germany, which was quickly reversed earlier this year.
ozfive 5y ago
Reading the article it looks like the accusations have been fabricated by a pathological liar. Their star witness against JA is coming out and saying essentially he did it to run from Assange since he ripped WL off for $50k and now he's coming clean about making the whole thing up. The witness is a pedo/criminal as the witness for this whole case.

philjohn 5y ago

The bar for extradition doesn't require the US to prove it - the only place they need to prove it is in court when he's in the US. And "Russiagate" is a bit more nuanced than that - Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them.

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
>Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them. [citation needed]
- extra88 5y ago
  I haven't heard that claim before either. The Wikipedia sources for the DNC hack article [0] say the RNC wasn't successfully hacked. "GOP" refers to the entire Republican Party so I suppose there could be emails from a different Republican origin than the RNC. > intelligence organizations additionally concluded Russia attempted to hack the Republican National Committee (RNC) as well as the DNC but were prevented by security defenses on the RNC network. Searching for a source for the GOP claim did remind me of internal WikiLeaks messages from 2015 showing at least Assange's preference for the GOP over Hilary Clinton. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#United_States_intelligence_conclusions [1] https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/
- slg 5y ago
  Emails specifically? I'm not sure if that has ever been confirmed, but this is directly from Assange[1]: >“We do have some information about the Republican campaign,” he said Friday, according to The Washington Post. >“I mean, it’s from a point of view of an investigative journalist organization like WikiLeaks, the problem with the Trump campaign is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial material than what comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth every second day," Assange said. When it comes to leaks about Democrats, everything is worth publishing. When it comes to leaks about Republicans, it needs to "controversial" to be worth publishing. [1] - https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293453-assange-wikileaks-trump-info-no-worse-than-him https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/2934...

ozfive 5y ago

>The US government claims this, but it's not been proven. Well now with their only witness coming out and saying that he lied about the whole thing and is receiving immunity for his testimony they've got shit-all.