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If history has taught us anything: this will blow over in a few weeks or months and everyone will get used to it in the end. The small percentage of users who (

If history has taught us anything: this will blow over in a few weeks or months and everyone will get used to it in the end. The small percentage of users who (sometimes only temporarily) stop using the service is offset by the new income and the majority of users do not care.

alisonkisk 5y ago
It's not a service like a subscription. It's the driver for a suite of hardware products that Google intentionally broke after the return window.
cf100clunk 5y ago
History teaches us that HN readers are generally quite caring of these sort of intrusions into their previous "just right" setups and don't tend to just let it ride.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Keyword “HN Readers”, not users. I’d be surprised if even 1% of all Android TV users were HN Readers.
  - cf100clunk 5y ago
    That misconstrues my comment: I believe that HN readers (and users) care about topics like this over the long haul and don't tend to just let intrusions like Google's slide by without opprobrium. Thus, to me, the parent comment doesn't wash.
  - axlee 5y ago
    > I’d be surprised if even 1% of all Android TV users were HN Readers. Remove some magnitudes, and then some more.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Yep, 16 new libreelec installs will appear, and thousands of google tvs will be sold in the meantime.
  - cf100clunk 5y ago
    That is kind of a twist on the old "nobody ever got fired for using IBM" idea regarding marketplace saturation: "nobody ever complained about Google"?
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      I mean.. honestly, if I had to set up some "media device" for a relative, I'd pick google over anything else... usually it just works, it's simple, if something doesn't work, "it's googles fault", if something isn't supported, again, googles fault. ...basically same as with IBM. At home... libreelec. +importing ipvt playlists... +epg, which gets banned by the telco, and then reappears somewhere else. +subtitle services. +this and that plugin.
      - deleted 5y ago
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vincnetas 5y ago
They will ratchet, small step at a time. Not sure how the rope snapping will look like...
pedrogpimenta 5y ago
As is with everything like the uproar Facebook as had with their changes. They even admit it with "we will not apply these changes for now" becauae they know it will die out. That's why we need alternatives.
indymike 5y ago
> this will blow over in a few weeks or months and everyone will get used to it in the end. After seeing screen after screen of one-star reviews, I'm not sure this one will just blow over. People are very, very unhappy with the update.
- derimagia 5y ago
  It's a bit skewed since it's a default system installed app and people generally aren't going to rate it unless they are unhappy but hopefully it doesn't blow over. I agree that there are a lot of people who are unhappy (including myself).
rishabhd 5y ago
Or, as Google is simply dialing it to 10 now, it will then dial this down to 5 post reactions and people will be okay with this eventually, unfortunately. When instead it should not have been done at the first place.
jbluepolarbear 5y ago
If history taught us anything it’s that people will move to less friction platform. I was long time Google, but over the last few years I’ve almost migrated completely to Apple. I know a lot of developers in my field (video games) that have done the same. Google is using its size and reach to fill my products with ads. I’m not an ad id and I want to be treated as such. Also, why is android such a bad development platform? Android is the worst part of mobile development and I’m glad I left it for good.
- headmelted 5y ago
  tvOS has the same problem I’m afraid.
  - aardvarkr 5y ago
    With ads that I can easily go into settings to turn off? That’s the problem people are upset about is this is forced upon you with zero realistic alternatives. Apple puts it into the settings whereas you have to use adb to forcefully swap the launcher. That’s a pretty bog difference c
    - headmelted 5y ago
      Where can I switch ATV ads off in the settings? I also assumed it would be there, but unless I’m missing it, the option to disable those ads doesn’t exist.
  - bitwalker 5y ago
    Which problem? Because there aren't ads on the home screen, or even in the Apple TV app (other than promos for TV shows, but that's like...why you're there).
    - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
      And that’s a feature that makes sense promote tv shows on your tv device. Most/all of the promoted shows are from apps already installed. Like the Disney+ Promo for Raya. I already had Disney+, so it was more of a hey watch this new content you’re already paying for.
bryik 5y ago
Previously, I bought Pixel devices with confidence in Google's stewardship and taste. Now that Google has injected ads into a $200 device I bought a year ago, I can only assume that all Google products will eventually have ads. Why would I ever buy another pixel phone? $699+ for a phone that will some day have ads on its home screen? No thanks.
- Raphael 5y ago
  Nova Launcher has always been good. However, that still leaves Android Settings.

alisonkisk 5y ago

It's not a service like a subscription. It's the driver for a suite of hardware products that Google intentionally broke after the return window.

cf100clunk 5y ago

History teaches us that HN readers are generally quite caring of these sort of intrusions into their previous "just right" setups and don't tend to just let it ride.

judge2020 5y ago
Keyword “HN Readers”, not users. I’d be surprised if even 1% of all Android TV users were HN Readers.
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  That misconstrues my comment: I believe that HN readers (and users) care about topics like this over the long haul and don't tend to just let intrusions like Google's slide by without opprobrium. Thus, to me, the parent comment doesn't wash.
- axlee 5y ago
  > I’d be surprised if even 1% of all Android TV users were HN Readers. Remove some magnitudes, and then some more.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Yep, 16 new libreelec installs will appear, and thousands of google tvs will be sold in the meantime.
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  That is kind of a twist on the old "nobody ever got fired for using IBM" idea regarding marketplace saturation: "nobody ever complained about Google"?
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    I mean.. honestly, if I had to set up some "media device" for a relative, I'd pick google over anything else... usually it just works, it's simple, if something doesn't work, "it's googles fault", if something isn't supported, again, googles fault. ...basically same as with IBM. At home... libreelec. +importing ipvt playlists... +epg, which gets banned by the telco, and then reappears somewhere else. +subtitle services. +this and that plugin.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]

vincnetas 5y ago

They will ratchet, small step at a time. Not sure how the rope snapping will look like...

pedrogpimenta 5y ago

As is with everything like the uproar Facebook as had with their changes. They even admit it with "we will not apply these changes for now" becauae they know it will die out. That's why we need alternatives.

indymike 5y ago

> this will blow over in a few weeks or months and everyone will get used to it in the end. After seeing screen after screen of one-star reviews, I'm not sure this one will just blow over. People are very, very unhappy with the update.

derimagia 5y ago
It's a bit skewed since it's a default system installed app and people generally aren't going to rate it unless they are unhappy but hopefully it doesn't blow over. I agree that there are a lot of people who are unhappy (including myself).

rishabhd 5y ago

Or, as Google is simply dialing it to 10 now, it will then dial this down to 5 post reactions and people will be okay with this eventually, unfortunately. When instead it should not have been done at the first place.

jbluepolarbear 5y ago

If history taught us anything it’s that people will move to less friction platform. I was long time Google, but over the last few years I’ve almost migrated completely to Apple. I know a lot of developers in my field (video games) that have done the same. Google is using its size and reach to fill my products with ads. I’m not an ad id and I want to be treated as such. Also, why is android such a bad development platform? Android is the worst part of mobile development and I’m glad I left it for good.

headmelted 5y ago
tvOS has the same problem I’m afraid.
- aardvarkr 5y ago
  With ads that I can easily go into settings to turn off? That’s the problem people are upset about is this is forced upon you with zero realistic alternatives. Apple puts it into the settings whereas you have to use adb to forcefully swap the launcher. That’s a pretty bog difference c
  - headmelted 5y ago
    Where can I switch ATV ads off in the settings? I also assumed it would be there, but unless I’m missing it, the option to disable those ads doesn’t exist.
- bitwalker 5y ago
  Which problem? Because there aren't ads on the home screen, or even in the Apple TV app (other than promos for TV shows, but that's like...why you're there).
  - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
    And that’s a feature that makes sense promote tv shows on your tv device. Most/all of the promoted shows are from apps already installed. Like the Disney+ Promo for Raya. I already had Disney+, so it was more of a hey watch this new content you’re already paying for.

bryik 5y ago

Previously, I bought Pixel devices with confidence in Google's stewardship and taste. Now that Google has injected ads into a $200 device I bought a year ago, I can only assume that all Google products will eventually have ads. Why would I ever buy another pixel phone? $699+ for a phone that will some day have ads on its home screen? No thanks.

Raphael 5y ago
Nova Launcher has always been good. However, that still leaves Android Settings.