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The way to combat this is not to buy products that have this and then complain about them. The companies that make them do not care, they have already gotten yo
by Ansil849 5y ago
The way to combat this is not to buy products that have this and then complain about them. The companies that make them do not care, they have already gotten your money.
The way to combat this is to not buy products that have this in the first place.
edit: a lot of comments are saying that the ads were added later, after purchase. This doesn't change my opinion at all, because people still bought products that have the capability for ads to be added retroactively. That is on you.
If you don't like the option of it happening, and as this example illustrates it can clearly happen, then do not buy products that have the capability of having ads added retroactively to the product.
- dkdbejwi383 5y agoHow do you propose people don’t buy products that have ads added to them in the future?
- Ansil849 5y agoIt's very straightforward: do not buy products that have the capability to have ads added to them retroactively. There is zero way any of the three televisions in my house will have ads added to them unless someone physically comes into my home and replaces the television sets.
- LegitShady 5y agoI was looking for dumb tvs a little bit ago and it's quite hard to find. Every company wants to turn their hardware sale into an eternal revenue stream.
- Ansil849 5y agoThey are not hard to find at all. Sure it's more 'difficult' than searching for 'TV' on Amazon, but if you spend ten minutes doing a web search, you will find some brands. Here's one site to get you started: https://pointerclicker.com/best-dumb-tv/ https://pointerclicker.com/best-dumb-tv/
- edoceo 5y agoAlibaba. I'm just buying what are basically big monitors. I'm paying what feels like a premium price for a screen, one power and three HDMI input - only. Lack of other BS is the premium feature. Edit: down thread someone calls it "commercial display" - search for those.
- dkdbejwi383 5y agoYou’re also limited to mostly LED televisions
- darkerside 5y agoHow do you prevent someone from adding ads to the phone or computer you used to send that post?
- growt 5y agoAs far as I understand the product was bought first and the ads came later with an update.
- HelloMcFly 5y agoThe products didn't have the ads when they bought them.
- luffapi 5y agoI’d love to buy a “dumb” tv. How do I do that?
- herbst 5y agoJust buy a cheap smart one and attach a device that fully controls it via hmdi. My bedroom TV boots to Kodi and the original remote is attached as well as a small keyboard. Basically the best solution I found
- luffapi 5y agoI’d be worried that it was still phoning home even when I was on a different input. It’s a good solution if you have to have a smart tv though.
- herbst 5y agoIMO these problems should be solved with a firewall either way. You can never know when they start talking home.
- ViViDboarder 5y agoHow would it do that? You think they’re shipping SIM cards in the TV?
- cvak 5y agoRight! Like Nvidia Shield! wait
- meowster 5y agoWalmart sells Sceptre brand TVs. They make 4K dumb TVs up to 75".
- luffapi 5y agoThank you. This looks like exactly what I wanted.
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- milankragujevic 5y agoThat doesn't make sense as this was added additionally, so when people purchased their devices the ads were not present. To quote one review verbatim: > I purchased two premium-priced Nvidia Shield TV's and loved them until yesterday. That was the day Google began forcing huge dominating ads on the home screen. These ads are for content in services that I haven't eve subscribed to or installed, they're totally irrelevant and obnoxious, and there is no way to disable them. It's offensive to force ads like this in a premium-priced product well after the return window is over. It's a bait-and-switch and I can only hope they realize this and make it right with the users.
- Ansil849 5y agoPeople still bought products that had the capability of ads being inserted retroactively. If you don't want the potential of ads being inserted into hardware you purchase, then don't purchase hardware that allows it. It is very straightforward.
- dagmx 5y agoSo you're future victim blaming now? People need to be able to predict all possible eventualities and are to blame for any future changes to a system?
- Ansil849 5y agoIf you buy a product that someone can remotely control, then you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt. Whether that is advertising or having all your data wiped (like is currently the case for those Western Digital Live Book hard drives). 'Future blaming' is an asinine term. If you point out to someone that, well, they shouldn't be surprised if their home got robbed because they only had a screen door, you could make a similar reply that you're "future blaming" those people because they needed to "to predict all possible eventualities and are to blame for any future changes to a system?" Ridiculous. People need to take accountability for their purchasing decisions. You buy a product with a gaping front door in it that allows the vendor or whoever else to push whatever crap into the product? Then that is on you.
- jordemort 5y ago> If you don't like the option of it happening, and as this example illustrates it can clearly happen, then do not buy products that have the capability of having ads added retroactively to the product. So, don't buy anything capable of receiving a software update?
- Ansil849 5y ago> So, don't buy anything capable of receiving a software update? Not quite. Don't buy anything that forces updates. Updates are obviously important for security, compatibility and a slew of other reasons. But updates which are forced on the user are no bueno.
- antiterra 5y agoAnd if a fix for a critical vulnerability and an ad feature are both in the same update?
- Ansil849 5y ago> And if a fix for a critical vulnerability and an ad feature are both in the same update? Can you point to actual real-world examples where this has been the case? I don't see the point of this stretched hypothetical. If it were to come up, then you could deal with accordingly - for instance by getting the update and then blocking the ad server somewhere upstream in your network path.
- dasyatidprime 5y agoThey don't actually have to be in the same update, the security fix just has to come after the ad antifeature with no separate patches presented, only a linear series of versions. And that linear model is extremely common. Anything using the linear model that has both antifeature updates and security updates at unpredictable times is very likely to run into the “can't install the security update without accepting the antifeature” problem.
- relax88 5y agoYep. I’m not really looking forward to buying a hospitality or commercial version for my next TV but I fully expect that is how it will go when I tell the local electronics store that I just want a display. It’s similar to the whole online advertising thing. I have no qualms about closing your website because of a cookie banner dark pattern or an annoying ad that makes it past my filtering. I’ll never come back either. The problem is that the vast majority of people do not behave in this manner.
- Ansil849 5y ago> The problem is that the vast majority of people do not behave in this manner. Precisely. It's why shit like this continues to happen. Because the stark reality is that most people do not care. And a large percentage of the ones that do care will still continue to buy the offending products anyway, they'll just complain about them.
- HumblyTossed 5y ago> The way to combat this is not to buy products that have this... I did! That is the ENTIRE point.
- xibo9 5y agoJust admit you posted a bad take and move on.