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Native anything is a lot of work for not a lot of gain as most users of Teams are forced to have it.

Hamuko 5y ago
Why bother integrating it into the operating system itself then? That's also a lot of work for something that people are forced to install anyways.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  Or you can just pitch proper integration as a Windows 11 feature, to give companies another incentive to upgrade
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Is it all that integrated besides being pre-downloaded?
Bancakes 5y ago
These are trillion dollar companies, I'm sure they can afford to lead the software industry for the greater good.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  I don't think RAM conservation is high on anyone's list of initiatives to improve the world. The resource consumption of Electron is mostly of interest to computer scientists who like to see how small and efficient they can make something. But in this case, it does not really matter.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    > The resource consumption of Electron is mostly of interest to computer scientists who like to see how small and efficient they can make something. But in this case, it does not really matter. It matters to sysadmins. Some people need to also work on the computer and when Teams uses all memory they will close it.
  - ratww 5y ago
    No. It also matters to the users of the laptop and to the people who have to buy it, as using too much RAM can lead to slowness due to swapping and can make older laptops unusable. It's basically having a third-party forcing programmed obsolescence at your device.
- Mary-Jane 5y ago
  What 'greater good' can possibly be achieved by having to literally write the same app 5 different times?
  - Bancakes 5y ago
    Going through the sunk cost of making 5 different GUI's and maybe wrapping some syscalls/API for the same 90% core app, resulting in minimal resource usage. It's the correct computerscientific approach and companies like Microsoft can (and should) commit to it. Breaking changes nowadays are too few and far between.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    You have work to do. And you get paid. No work - you're fired.
  - ratww 5y ago
    They could at least be trying to use the native multi-platform technologies they have bought/developed, like Xamarin or MAUI.

Why bother integrating it into the operating system itself then? That's also a lot of work for something that people are forced to install anyways.

wongarsu 5y ago
Or you can just pitch proper integration as a Windows 11 feature, to give companies another incentive to upgrade
MattGaiser 5y ago
Is it all that integrated besides being pre-downloaded?

Bancakes 5y ago

These are trillion dollar companies, I'm sure they can afford to lead the software industry for the greater good.

MattGaiser 5y ago
I don't think RAM conservation is high on anyone's list of initiatives to improve the world. The resource consumption of Electron is mostly of interest to computer scientists who like to see how small and efficient they can make something. But in this case, it does not really matter.
- hulitu 5y ago
  > The resource consumption of Electron is mostly of interest to computer scientists who like to see how small and efficient they can make something. But in this case, it does not really matter. It matters to sysadmins. Some people need to also work on the computer and when Teams uses all memory they will close it.
- ratww 5y ago
  No. It also matters to the users of the laptop and to the people who have to buy it, as using too much RAM can lead to slowness due to swapping and can make older laptops unusable. It's basically having a third-party forcing programmed obsolescence at your device.
Mary-Jane 5y ago
What 'greater good' can possibly be achieved by having to literally write the same app 5 different times?
- Bancakes 5y ago
  Going through the sunk cost of making 5 different GUI's and maybe wrapping some syscalls/API for the same 90% core app, resulting in minimal resource usage. It's the correct computerscientific approach and companies like Microsoft can (and should) commit to it. Breaking changes nowadays are too few and far between.
- hulitu 5y ago
  You have work to do. And you get paid. No work - you're fired.
- ratww 5y ago
  They could at least be trying to use the native multi-platform technologies they have bought/developed, like Xamarin or MAUI.