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Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zioni

by jgb1984 5y ago

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

arcanon 5y ago
Awesome comment about technology. Clearly this is the right forum for it……………
- dang 5y ago
  HN is explicitly about much more than just "technology". Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - arcanon 5y ago
    I feel like you linked me to something that proved my point. This seems like politics without evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. How much time has been spent moderating around this? Was it worth it? Anyways i hope rick and morty succeed in their mission tonight.
    - dang 5y ago
      I can't agree. The article touches on (relatively) interesting and new phenomena. This particular thread was a disaster, but the repost at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 got at least some ok discussion. Yes, it was a lot of moderation work, with mixed results. Was it worth it? I'm not sure what you mean. I think we made the right moderation call, given the site guidelines and standard moderation practices, and given that, the work was just the work.
Protostome 5y ago
I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination. However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated. Like in every conflict in the world, crimes are comitted by both parties. During the 90s and early 00s suicide bombers kill thousands of Israelis - that's the reason Israel built a wall around the west bank.
- proshno 5y ago
  If you saying that Israel is not stealing Palestinian land, then you are simply ignoring a very well established and already proved fact. Instead of me trying to explain it, I would rather give you one piece information provided by a recognized Israeli source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-israel-s-high-court-is-willfully-blind-to-theft-of-palestinian-land-1.8945601 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.pr... Hope, you will get a better sense of the truth. Peace!
- mariusor 5y ago
  > the Jordanians [..] the Egyptians [..] a war they initiated. Sorry to be an armchair commenter here, but I think this opinion is not highly agreed upon by internet sources in easy reach. Wikipedia at least suggests that the first strikes came from Israel's side[1]. > On 5 June, Israel launched a series of airstrikes against Egyptian airfields, initially claiming that it had been attacked by Egypt, but later stating that the airstrikes were preemptive. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
  - Protostome 5y ago
    Thanks for the comment, but I doubt you read the whole article. Saying that Israel started the war is akin to saying Britain and France started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. They did decrlare war and initiated the first hostile act, but virtually no one considers the UK and france as responsible for the start of WW2, there were many events that led to the declaration of war that show beyond doubt that the Nazis were delibaretely acting aggressively and left no choice for UK and France, but to continue diplomacy by "other means". Same goes in the case of the 67' war - if a country would have started a naval blockade on the US would it be considered an act of war? sure it would. Prior to the 1967 war, Eygpt closed the Straits of Tiran, effectively blocking Israel from half of the world. Just to put things in perspective - 90% of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran. So this was a really big deal as all the Israeli economy was dependent on the straits being open for commerce.
yehosef 5y ago
>Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. The most famous commentary on the Torah (Rashi) begins when the question of why the Torah begins with the story of Creation and not with the first law the Jews were given Rashi says: "For should the peoples of the world say to Israel, “You are robbers, because you took by force the lands of the seven nations of Canaan”, Israel may reply to them, “All the earth belongs to the Holy One, blessed be He; He created it and gave it to whom He pleased. When He willed He gave it to them, and when He willed He took it from them and gave it to us” https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en
- 01GOD 5y ago
  I wrote a book that says jews aren’t allowed to breathe and that jews are required to give ME anything I want. So do that RIGHT NOW!!!
- 01GOD 5y ago
  Thanks for posting that to show how f’ing nuts evil jews sadly are (and corrupt, delusional, etcetera]. “if we turn three circles and stand on our heads before killing semitic Palestinians, that is not murder because some nutso rabbi said so” is basically how some of that statement sounds.
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arcanon 5y ago

Awesome comment about technology. Clearly this is the right forum for it……………

dang 5y ago
HN is explicitly about much more than just "technology". Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- arcanon 5y ago
  I feel like you linked me to something that proved my point. This seems like politics without evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. How much time has been spent moderating around this? Was it worth it? Anyways i hope rick and morty succeed in their mission tonight.
  - dang 5y ago
    I can't agree. The article touches on (relatively) interesting and new phenomena. This particular thread was a disaster, but the repost at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 got at least some ok discussion. Yes, it was a lot of moderation work, with mixed results. Was it worth it? I'm not sure what you mean. I think we made the right moderation call, given the site guidelines and standard moderation practices, and given that, the work was just the work.

Protostome 5y ago

I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination. However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated. Like in every conflict in the world, crimes are comitted by both parties. During the 90s and early 00s suicide bombers kill thousands of Israelis - that's the reason Israel built a wall around the west bank.

proshno 5y ago
If you saying that Israel is not stealing Palestinian land, then you are simply ignoring a very well established and already proved fact. Instead of me trying to explain it, I would rather give you one piece information provided by a recognized Israeli source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-israel-s-high-court-is-willfully-blind-to-theft-of-palestinian-land-1.8945601 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.pr... Hope, you will get a better sense of the truth. Peace!
mariusor 5y ago
> the Jordanians [..] the Egyptians [..] a war they initiated. Sorry to be an armchair commenter here, but I think this opinion is not highly agreed upon by internet sources in easy reach. Wikipedia at least suggests that the first strikes came from Israel's side[1]. > On 5 June, Israel launched a series of airstrikes against Egyptian airfields, initially claiming that it had been attacked by Egypt, but later stating that the airstrikes were preemptive. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
- Protostome 5y ago
  Thanks for the comment, but I doubt you read the whole article. Saying that Israel started the war is akin to saying Britain and France started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. They did decrlare war and initiated the first hostile act, but virtually no one considers the UK and france as responsible for the start of WW2, there were many events that led to the declaration of war that show beyond doubt that the Nazis were delibaretely acting aggressively and left no choice for UK and France, but to continue diplomacy by "other means". Same goes in the case of the 67' war - if a country would have started a naval blockade on the US would it be considered an act of war? sure it would. Prior to the 1967 war, Eygpt closed the Straits of Tiran, effectively blocking Israel from half of the world. Just to put things in perspective - 90% of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran. So this was a really big deal as all the Israeli economy was dependent on the straits being open for commerce.

yehosef 5y ago

>Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. The most famous commentary on the Torah (Rashi) begins when the question of why the Torah begins with the story of Creation and not with the first law the Jews were given Rashi says: "For should the peoples of the world say to Israel, “You are robbers, because you took by force the lands of the seven nations of Canaan”, Israel may reply to them, “All the earth belongs to the Holy One, blessed be He; He created it and gave it to whom He pleased. When He willed He gave it to them, and when He willed He took it from them and gave it to us” https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en

01GOD 5y ago
I wrote a book that says jews aren’t allowed to breathe and that jews are required to give ME anything I want. So do that RIGHT NOW!!!
01GOD 5y ago
Thanks for posting that to show how f’ing nuts evil jews sadly are (and corrupt, delusional, etcetera]. “if we turn three circles and stand on our heads before killing semitic Palestinians, that is not murder because some nutso rabbi said so” is basically how some of that statement sounds.

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