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How about a middle ground? I've been looking into the new generation of eink devices that are great for notetaking. Remarkable etc Best of both worlds and no mo

How about a middle ground? I've been looking into the new generation of eink devices that are great for notetaking. Remarkable etc Best of both worlds and no more dead trees

krono 5y ago
Same here. The main benefits to me would be the ability to search and extract notes more easily. Currently using a pen and paper system that's not dissimilar to bullet-journaling, but adapted to play nicer with unescapable digital calendars etc.
jiofih 5y ago
I have one. You still can’t quickly flick back onto last week’s notes, and object permanence issues remain. Will never be the same as paper. A better middle ground is probably one of those smart pens that automatically digitizes your scribbles, while you’re still using a paper notebook.
vbsteven 5y ago
While I love my Remarkable 2 for taking notes, journaling, drawing and sharing/exporting the results, it lacks search/discoverability/navigation. In a physical notebook it’s trivial to flip back a few pages to recall a note from last week. On remarkable that takes a lot more time, and the time cost is paid twice, once for finding the old note, and a second time to get back to the page I was writing. (Imagine working in a single browser window fullscreen without tabs). I’m still looking for an optimal flow. And I’m gravitating towards something that can ingest remarkable pages, perform OCR and categorise/index the results.
- nunodonato 5y ago
  Onyx boox allows split screen
  - lovecg 5y ago
    Onyx Boox is a GPL offender though with some other sketchy call-home activity going on. This is a dealbreaker for me. https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_using_recent_antichina_movement_as_excuse_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_usin...
    - kstrauser 5y ago
      Eww, I hadn’t seen that. That’s a hard no for me, too.
- bsanr2 5y ago
  >In a physical notebook it’s trivial to flip back a few pages to recall a note from last week. On remarkable that takes a lot more time, and the time cost is paid twice, once for finding the old note, and a second time to get back to the page I was writing. Shelved because I realized 1) This will be much more comfortable on forthcoming (cheaper) AR glasses than on one's phone, and 2) I still don't know how to code, but I imagine that this particular UX problem will shortly be one that is no longer insurmountable. https://www.instagram.com/p/CFcOov1FV6G/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CFcOov1FV6G/
abdullahkhalids 5y ago
How many notes do you actually take? It takes about 113kg co2 to produce an iPad[1] and other tablets may produce more as much as 200kg. That's roughly equivalent to the emissions from producing 2000-6000 sheets of paper [2]. But we are not including the running electricity emissions of of the Remarkable, plus the co2 emissions of their cloud service. Plus electronics produce a lot dirtier pollution on disposal than paper. I taught 4 courses this year, plus research work. And I think I got through about 500 sheets of notes. If I had a Remarkable, it would maybe last 4-5 years. I think lifetime pollution from a tablet like Remarkable is always going to be more than from just using paper. [1] https://newzik.com/blog/ipad-environmental-report/ https://newzik.com/blog/ipad-environmental-report/ [2] https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/good-stats-on-carbon-saving/ https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/good-stats-on-carbon-saving/
- ta988 5y ago
  Plus paper is recyclable
Zababa 5y ago
> no more dead trees Doesn't paper comes mostly from managed forests? Or maybe you attach a higher value to the life of trees than most people? (which is fine, just surprising to me)

How about a middle ground? I've been looking into the new generation of eink devices that are great for notetaking. Remarkable etc Best of both worlds and no more dead trees

krono 5y ago

Same here. The main benefits to me would be the ability to search and extract notes more easily. Currently using a pen and paper system that's not dissimilar to bullet-journaling, but adapted to play nicer with unescapable digital calendars etc.

jiofih 5y ago

I have one. You still can’t quickly flick back onto last week’s notes, and object permanence issues remain. Will never be the same as paper. A better middle ground is probably one of those smart pens that automatically digitizes your scribbles, while you’re still using a paper notebook.

vbsteven 5y ago

While I love my Remarkable 2 for taking notes, journaling, drawing and sharing/exporting the results, it lacks search/discoverability/navigation. In a physical notebook it’s trivial to flip back a few pages to recall a note from last week. On remarkable that takes a lot more time, and the time cost is paid twice, once for finding the old note, and a second time to get back to the page I was writing. (Imagine working in a single browser window fullscreen without tabs). I’m still looking for an optimal flow. And I’m gravitating towards something that can ingest remarkable pages, perform OCR and categorise/index the results.

nunodonato 5y ago
Onyx boox allows split screen
- lovecg 5y ago
  Onyx Boox is a GPL offender though with some other sketchy call-home activity going on. This is a dealbreaker for me. https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_using_recent_antichina_movement_as_excuse_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_usin...
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    Eww, I hadn’t seen that. That’s a hard no for me, too.
bsanr2 5y ago
>In a physical notebook it’s trivial to flip back a few pages to recall a note from last week. On remarkable that takes a lot more time, and the time cost is paid twice, once for finding the old note, and a second time to get back to the page I was writing. Shelved because I realized 1) This will be much more comfortable on forthcoming (cheaper) AR glasses than on one's phone, and 2) I still don't know how to code, but I imagine that this particular UX problem will shortly be one that is no longer insurmountable. https://www.instagram.com/p/CFcOov1FV6G/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CFcOov1FV6G/

abdullahkhalids 5y ago

How many notes do you actually take? It takes about 113kg co2 to produce an iPad[1] and other tablets may produce more as much as 200kg. That's roughly equivalent to the emissions from producing 2000-6000 sheets of paper [2]. But we are not including the running electricity emissions of of the Remarkable, plus the co2 emissions of their cloud service. Plus electronics produce a lot dirtier pollution on disposal than paper. I taught 4 courses this year, plus research work. And I think I got through about 500 sheets of notes. If I had a Remarkable, it would maybe last 4-5 years. I think lifetime pollution from a tablet like Remarkable is always going to be more than from just using paper. [1] https://newzik.com/blog/ipad-environmental-report/ https://newzik.com/blog/ipad-environmental-report/ [2] https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/good-stats-on-carbon-saving/ https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/good-stats-on-carbon-saving/

ta988 5y ago
Plus paper is recyclable

Zababa 5y ago

> no more dead trees Doesn't paper comes mostly from managed forests? Or maybe you attach a higher value to the life of trees than most people? (which is fine, just surprising to me)