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if people like this, there is an interesting podcast on lyfe and life. [0] Apparently, the people who do research to artificial life, where they create things i

by 317070 5y ago

if people like this, there is an interesting podcast on lyfe and life. [0] Apparently, the people who do research to artificial life, where they create things in silico and try to make life evolve from them, constantly run into a similar problem. By the time one or two hierarchies of organization have formed, progress halts as it succumbs to parasitic behaviour. Afaik it is still a poorly understood phenomenon, and even the bee society doesn't look immune. I wonder how we ever got here with all these parasites. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1K46AUK3M https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1K46AUK3M

versteegen 5y ago
This gave me a realisation: manipulative (deceptive) artificial life and artificial intelligence are forms of parasites. But instead of manipulating/deceiving their host organisms, they deceive the humans who control the life simulation/the environment the AI exists within. For example, if a human controller is trying to study the evolution of certain artificial lifes by filtering others out of the simulated world based on their behaviour, what happens? Life evolves to detect, if possible, when they are being observed and act differently in that situation to deceive the human observer. See this quoted passage [1] from [2]. This translates directly to an AI Safety problem (see e.g. the article that [1] is a comment on). [1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ez4zZQKWgC6fE3h9G/plausibly-almost-every-powerful-algorithm-would-be?commentId=vhZ9uvMwiMCepp6jH https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ez4zZQKWgC6fE3h9G/plausibly-... [2] Lehman et al., 2018, The Surprising Creativity of Digital Evolution: A Collection of Anecdotes from the Evolutionary Computation and Artificial Life Research Communities, https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03453 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03453
grasshopperpurp 5y ago
Subbed that pod. Thanks for the rec! And thanks to the OP for posting the article. This will stay with me.

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versteegen 5y ago

This gave me a realisation: manipulative (deceptive) artificial life and artificial intelligence are forms of parasites. But instead of manipulating/deceiving their host organisms, they deceive the humans who control the life simulation/the environment the AI exists within. For example, if a human controller is trying to study the evolution of certain artificial lifes by filtering others out of the simulated world based on their behaviour, what happens? Life evolves to detect, if possible, when they are being observed and act differently in that situation to deceive the human observer. See this quoted passage [1] from [2]. This translates directly to an AI Safety problem (see e.g. the article that [1] is a comment on). [1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ez4zZQKWgC6fE3h9G/plausibly-almost-every-powerful-algorithm-would-be?commentId=vhZ9uvMwiMCepp6jH https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ez4zZQKWgC6fE3h9G/plausibly-... [2] Lehman et al., 2018, The Surprising Creativity of Digital Evolution: A Collection of Anecdotes from the Evolutionary Computation and Artificial Life Research Communities, https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03453 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03453

grasshopperpurp 5y ago

Subbed that pod. Thanks for the rec! And thanks to the OP for posting the article. This will stay with me.