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Does it come with out of band managment systems? I have a difficult time seeing how Intel will benefit this outside of the chip Fab process. Granted this is s

Does it come with out of band managment systems? I have a difficult time seeing how Intel will benefit this outside of the chip Fab process. Granted this is substantially a branch in a different direction.. I expect very little for non NDA customers on their side.

schmorptron 5y ago
Maybe to have an out of the coming death of x86 that's not ARM, which could potentially be controlled by Nvidia soon
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  I thought the uk blocked the sale on national security grounds. What is the compelling reason for going for RISC V compared to ARM or x86 when comes to general purpose computing? I understand Intel wants to communicate that it is taking a direction but it seems to me that we are a long time away from seeing RISC V as the main computing architecture in a consumer laptop or a phone.
  - brucehoult 5y ago
    ARM is potentially soon owned by an enemy. RISC-V is owned by no one. Arm64 and riscv64 are pretty close to equivalent in a technical sense for general purpose computing, especially once consumer ARM chips ship with SVE2 and RISC-V with their Vector extension (which are both going to be out at pretty much the same time). Someone with a lot of money, such as Intel, investing in RISC-V will vastly accelerate RISC-V getting to being able to be used in a high end phone or laptop. Intel has the ability to "do an M1" with RISC-V, leapfrogging ARM.
    - speed_spread 5y ago
      How fast do you believe Intel could come up with such an M1-level RISC-V CPU? Doing so, wouldn't they also help create a market where the barrier to entry is much lower than x86, thus inviting more competitors than they have now? It'd be interesting to see Intel on such a warpath against ARM...
      - AmVess 5y ago
        Intel won't be able to do an M1 style SOC any time soon. Not with any architecture. Also, why would this lower the barrier to entry? Intel loves their margins. This will never change. This effort is all about Intel fiddling with their 7nm process, not about moving to another architecture.
    - rollcat 5y ago
      > Intel has the ability to "do an M1" They might be able to match it on speed, efficiency, and price, but not on vertical integration. But I'm curious to see how a RISC-V ecosystem might develop once someone starts pumping heavy dollars into it.
      - throwaway4good 5y ago
        Who has the incentive to put heavy dollars into it?
        helloguillecl 5y ago
        The manufacturer with the US government behind (plus political support), since they don’t want to see their country lagging behind in processor manufacturing for strategic reasons. I believe this will tend to put the right incentives when needed.
        throwaway4good 5y ago
        Nationalism and subsidies does not make a sustainable business. Why would intel do something that breaks x86/windows dominance? Why would Google/Qualcomm break arm/android?
        dragonelite 5y ago
        Its not that they want but politics might drive them toward this way. I'm pretty sure a lot of Chinese big tech are willing to invest in semi conductor designs to keep more of the profit internally then send it to the US and prevent risk in their supply chains. You also see more and more Chinese big tech companies branch out of China so its not certain that windows and android can easily keep their monopoly.
        relativ575 5y ago
        > Nationalism and subsidies does not make a sustainable business. This is not true. Airbus is an early example, and of course we can't forget to mention Huawei, Baidu or Alibaba. I'd say defense industry as well, but since their customers are governments one may argue that their revenue would dry up when military spending is down
    - whynotminot 5y ago
      > Intel has the ability to "do an M1" with RISC-V, leapfrogging ARM. What about Intel’s execution over the last 5+ years gives you this confidence?
      - ethbr0 5y ago
        2006

schmorptron 5y ago

Maybe to have an out of the coming death of x86 that's not ARM, which could potentially be controlled by Nvidia soon

throwaway4good 5y ago
I thought the uk blocked the sale on national security grounds. What is the compelling reason for going for RISC V compared to ARM or x86 when comes to general purpose computing? I understand Intel wants to communicate that it is taking a direction but it seems to me that we are a long time away from seeing RISC V as the main computing architecture in a consumer laptop or a phone.
- brucehoult 5y ago
  ARM is potentially soon owned by an enemy. RISC-V is owned by no one. Arm64 and riscv64 are pretty close to equivalent in a technical sense for general purpose computing, especially once consumer ARM chips ship with SVE2 and RISC-V with their Vector extension (which are both going to be out at pretty much the same time). Someone with a lot of money, such as Intel, investing in RISC-V will vastly accelerate RISC-V getting to being able to be used in a high end phone or laptop. Intel has the ability to "do an M1" with RISC-V, leapfrogging ARM.
  - speed_spread 5y ago
    How fast do you believe Intel could come up with such an M1-level RISC-V CPU? Doing so, wouldn't they also help create a market where the barrier to entry is much lower than x86, thus inviting more competitors than they have now? It'd be interesting to see Intel on such a warpath against ARM...
    - AmVess 5y ago
      Intel won't be able to do an M1 style SOC any time soon. Not with any architecture. Also, why would this lower the barrier to entry? Intel loves their margins. This will never change. This effort is all about Intel fiddling with their 7nm process, not about moving to another architecture.
  - rollcat 5y ago
    > Intel has the ability to "do an M1" They might be able to match it on speed, efficiency, and price, but not on vertical integration. But I'm curious to see how a RISC-V ecosystem might develop once someone starts pumping heavy dollars into it.
    - throwaway4good 5y ago
      Who has the incentive to put heavy dollars into it?
      - helloguillecl 5y ago
        The manufacturer with the US government behind (plus political support), since they don’t want to see their country lagging behind in processor manufacturing for strategic reasons. I believe this will tend to put the right incentives when needed.
        throwaway4good 5y ago
        Nationalism and subsidies does not make a sustainable business. Why would intel do something that breaks x86/windows dominance? Why would Google/Qualcomm break arm/android?
        dragonelite 5y ago
        Its not that they want but politics might drive them toward this way. I'm pretty sure a lot of Chinese big tech are willing to invest in semi conductor designs to keep more of the profit internally then send it to the US and prevent risk in their supply chains. You also see more and more Chinese big tech companies branch out of China so its not certain that windows and android can easily keep their monopoly.
        relativ575 5y ago
        > Nationalism and subsidies does not make a sustainable business. This is not true. Airbus is an early example, and of course we can't forget to mention Huawei, Baidu or Alibaba. I'd say defense industry as well, but since their customers are governments one may argue that their revenue would dry up when military spending is down
  - whynotminot 5y ago
    > Intel has the ability to "do an M1" with RISC-V, leapfrogging ARM. What about Intel’s execution over the last 5+ years gives you this confidence?
    - ethbr0 5y ago
      2006