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ehh no one in china takes these claims seriously
by hungryhobo 5y ago
ehh no one in china takes these claims seriously
- w-ll 5y agoif i've learned anything in the last year... there might actually be a sizeable amount of people (who you might not interact with on daily basis) that actually deeply believe it
- justicezyx 5y agoIf you are taking about relative importance, then these people's voice will be negaliable compared to main stream views. If you are talking about absolute number, then of course it could be substantial, but that's true for any situation, I.e., there are just more people there.
- void_mint 5y agoHaven't we learned anything when looking at America over the past 5 years? "Nobody important actually thinks that" becomes legitimate nationalistic pride.
- justicezyx 5y agoWell, that's one thing I now point out often to American people (I was born and raised in China), American nationalism is not same as Chinese one. To some degree, Chinese nationalism went beyond the narrow view point already in the Mao era. Chinese people nowadays are very sensitive to nationalism topics, but they are also rational. I never saw Chinese people disapprove facts for national pride. It's that Chinese people have a conviction that they can do whatever other people can do, and probably can do some better. That's one benefit of tight propaganda control, as the CCP knows very well how powerful and uncontrollable the nationalism can be. So they are relatively adept in managing the sentiment.
- hutzlibu 5y ago"I never saw Chinese people disapprove facts for national pride. It's that Chinese people have a conviction that they can do whatever other people can do, and probably can do some better" Are you sure about this? Because if the view that humanity developed in china is still popular, despite strong dna evidence suggesting otherwise - I do see nationalistic skewing of facts here.
- justicezyx 5y ago> humanity developed in china is still popular Factually wrong statement 1. The claim was that Chinese were developed in the China land. Not humanity as a whole 2. People do not take such claim seriously. Your statement appears that majority or at least large number of Chinese support this ridiculous claim.
- void_mint 5y ago> 2. People do not take such claim seriously. This reads "I don't, and I assume others don't, too", which, again, America has proven even the most ridiculous of ideas are believed by _some_, and oftentimes _lots_ of people.
- justicezyx 5y agoIsn't that need to considered in relative term? Some people showing certain behavior, when they are below certain percentage, just not going to affect the overall outlook of the nation. And we are talking about the national sentiment of China, comparably speaking, that applies to equally large scale sentiment in US. For example, there are a lot of people believe in flat earth theory, but that does not stand to be a US sentiment, one cannot claim that US people believe in flat earth. Same, one cannot claim Chinese people believe they are evolved from independent source than people living in other countries.
- void_mint 5y ago> For example, there are a lot of people believe in flat earth theory, but that does not stand to be a US sentiment, Nobody but you in this thread is speaking in absolutes. _Some_ to _lots of_ US citizens believe the earth is flat. > Same, one cannot claim Chinese people believe they are evolved from independent source than people living in other countries. _Some_ to _lots of_ Chinese people _do_ believe this. You keep saying "Nobody actually thinks ___", which isn't true.
- dgan 5y agoMy parents believe that Coliseum and Notre Dame weren't built by humans, so yeah pretty safe bet!
- wavefunction 5y agoWho do they think built them?
- hypertele-Xii 5y agoThen who are they for? Certainly no one outside China takes them seriously, either.
- jonathankoren 5y agoParty officials. The more absurd the claim, the more loyal you are. Extremely few actually believe these statements, but the statements are more widely viewed as being politically useful.
- hypertele-Xii 5y agoNo way! What a weird system. Is democracy vulnerable to this?
- rsynnott 5y agoHow sure of that are you? This sounds remarkably similar to the claims about, say, Great Zimbabwe; up until the 20th century, almost everyone assumed it was built by some sort of outsider (weirder contenders include the Queen of Sheba!) rather than the locals, and indeed in Rhodesia, where the site was located, it was not permitted to question this until the regime collapsed. Professional modern archaeologists didn’t buy this, of course, but it hardly mattered; normal people believed it because they were told it.
- tablespoon 5y ago> ehh no one in china takes these claims seriously I know that. I believe they were roundly mocked on Chinese social media, but the claims are so over the top to be utterly hilarious.