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The endpoints for vaccines are “does the person end up in the hospital and does the person die of COVID” not “does the person get infected”. To that end, the va

The endpoints for vaccines are “does the person end up in the hospital and does the person die of COVID” not “does the person get infected”. To that end, the vaccines are still effective. From the original WSJ source [1]: “Analysis by England’s public-health agency suggests vaccines provide significant protection against Delta after two doses, reducing the risk of symptomatic illness by about 80% and the risk of hospitalization by around 96%. That is only slightly weaker than the protection vaccines confer against Alpha, also known as B.1.1.7.“ [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-warns-of-new-versions-of-delta-variant-spreading-11624621207?mod=hp_lead_pos5 https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-warns-of-new-versions-of-...

macintux 5y ago
Not disagreeing at all, but there's another question you didn't list: does the person shed the virus in sufficient quantities to infect others.
- helge9210 5y ago
  Based on current developments in Israel (I'm from Israel) the answer is: yes Fully vaccinated Delta-variant carriers are infecting other fully vaccinated persons.
  - 0-_-0 5y ago
    In that case the virus can further evolve to get around vaccine indiced immunity, as Delta already has. Letting a virus spread among a vaccinated population is not exactly wise.
    - helge9210 5y ago
      > Letting a virus spread among a vaccinated population is not exactly wise. Wasn't this the whole point of vaccination: to allow virus circulation among vaccinated population without negative effects?
      - 0-_-0 5y ago
        A new variant is a negative effect
Camillo 5y ago
Most of the workforce is young enough that they weren't going to die anyway. The endpoint they're interested in is "does the person end up with long-term lung scarring/cognitive impairment/erectile dysfunction/dry mouth" and all the other scary long covid effects. I've seen at least one study showing increased risk of all sorts of neurological issues after even mild covid cases, FWIW.
- deminature 5y ago
  The early research emerging on possible brain changes from COVID is pretty alarming. Obviously further information is needed, but it's fairly shocking this can happen under any circumstances. https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1405654990128046083 https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/14056549901280460...

macintux 5y ago

Not disagreeing at all, but there's another question you didn't list: does the person shed the virus in sufficient quantities to infect others.

helge9210 5y ago
Based on current developments in Israel (I'm from Israel) the answer is: yes Fully vaccinated Delta-variant carriers are infecting other fully vaccinated persons.
- 0-_-0 5y ago
  In that case the virus can further evolve to get around vaccine indiced immunity, as Delta already has. Letting a virus spread among a vaccinated population is not exactly wise.
  - helge9210 5y ago
    > Letting a virus spread among a vaccinated population is not exactly wise. Wasn't this the whole point of vaccination: to allow virus circulation among vaccinated population without negative effects?
    - 0-_-0 5y ago
      A new variant is a negative effect

Camillo 5y ago

Most of the workforce is young enough that they weren't going to die anyway. The endpoint they're interested in is "does the person end up with long-term lung scarring/cognitive impairment/erectile dysfunction/dry mouth" and all the other scary long covid effects. I've seen at least one study showing increased risk of all sorts of neurological issues after even mild covid cases, FWIW.

deminature 5y ago
The early research emerging on possible brain changes from COVID is pretty alarming. Obviously further information is needed, but it's fairly shocking this can happen under any circumstances. https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1405654990128046083 https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/14056549901280460...