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Am I the only one who’ve been noticing a shift of narrative regarding UFOs in the past few years? I wonder what the endgame is…

floam 5y ago
An eccentric billionaire constituent of Harry Reid that was obsessed with UFOs forced the armed services to go on a wild goose chase a few years back. This is the result.
- aliasEli 5y ago
  Who was that constituent? What evidence do you have that he had any influence on Harry Reid?
  - floam 5y ago
    Robert Bigelow. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/28/ufos-secret-history-government-washington-dc-487900 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/28/ufos-secre...
oceanghost 5y ago
Its part of some deliberate disinformation campaign. All the videos released thus far have been thoroughly debunked by the likes of thunderf00t. If there are non-debunked videos, I am not aware of them. Most of the news coverage involves Lt. David Fravor, Bob Lazar or Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell. Why this stuff is being leaked? I cannot fathom. I assume we are signaling to some foreign entity our ability to track items as small as birds, or angling for more funding.
- giantrobot 5y ago
  > I assume we are signaling to some foreign entity our ability to track items as small as birds This strikes me as the most likely scenario. While large (small plane size) military drones have been around for decades much smaller (bird size) ones have begun to proliferate. These small drones don't have the duration or capabilities of larger ones but they're good enough for a lot of tasks. They're made of composites and small enough they're not going to show up well on civilian primary radar. Even some military primary radars might miss them or at least have limited detection ranges. Someone using such small drones might act a lot more provocatively towards the American military because they think they're not being seen. At least more provocatively than if they only had larger drones or manned aircraft. So leaks showing those drones can be detected and tracked. It's a subtle "we can see you, you're not as clever as you think". The US doesn't want some overzealous PLAN (or whomever) drone pilot doing something stupid requiring a military response.
  - oceanghost 5y ago
    I think that's exactly it. I'd also like to add that, of all the claims made about incredible flight characteristics of these UFOs-- none of the videos are of anything like that.
- jablongo 5y ago
  Can you link to the thorough debunkings you are talking about?
  - oceanghost 5y ago
    I'd be happy to. Debunking of UFO videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4VlqQyVr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4VlqQyVr4 Bob Lazar debunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghkFTRY4ZB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghkFTRY4ZB0
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
I've only been noticing it the last few months. My one theory is it's right wing media trying to say "your government is hiding something from you and lying about aliens!" and then to extrapolate that (without saying so) to "what else is it hiding and lying about, e.g. the 'truth' about Covid?". But this theory falls apart when Obama has even talked about the UFOs, but maybe he also noticed the rising interest and just innocently quipped that "we don't know exactly what's out there" to mean "we don't know which country's tech these things are."

floam 5y ago

An eccentric billionaire constituent of Harry Reid that was obsessed with UFOs forced the armed services to go on a wild goose chase a few years back. This is the result.

aliasEli 5y ago
Who was that constituent? What evidence do you have that he had any influence on Harry Reid?
- floam 5y ago
  Robert Bigelow. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/28/ufos-secret-history-government-washington-dc-487900 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/28/ufos-secre...

oceanghost 5y ago

Its part of some deliberate disinformation campaign. All the videos released thus far have been thoroughly debunked by the likes of thunderf00t. If there are non-debunked videos, I am not aware of them. Most of the news coverage involves Lt. David Fravor, Bob Lazar or Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell. Why this stuff is being leaked? I cannot fathom. I assume we are signaling to some foreign entity our ability to track items as small as birds, or angling for more funding.

giantrobot 5y ago
> I assume we are signaling to some foreign entity our ability to track items as small as birds This strikes me as the most likely scenario. While large (small plane size) military drones have been around for decades much smaller (bird size) ones have begun to proliferate. These small drones don't have the duration or capabilities of larger ones but they're good enough for a lot of tasks. They're made of composites and small enough they're not going to show up well on civilian primary radar. Even some military primary radars might miss them or at least have limited detection ranges. Someone using such small drones might act a lot more provocatively towards the American military because they think they're not being seen. At least more provocatively than if they only had larger drones or manned aircraft. So leaks showing those drones can be detected and tracked. It's a subtle "we can see you, you're not as clever as you think". The US doesn't want some overzealous PLAN (or whomever) drone pilot doing something stupid requiring a military response.
- oceanghost 5y ago
  I think that's exactly it. I'd also like to add that, of all the claims made about incredible flight characteristics of these UFOs-- none of the videos are of anything like that.
jablongo 5y ago
Can you link to the thorough debunkings you are talking about?
- oceanghost 5y ago
  I'd be happy to. Debunking of UFO videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4VlqQyVr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4VlqQyVr4 Bob Lazar debunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghkFTRY4ZB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghkFTRY4ZB0

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

I've only been noticing it the last few months. My one theory is it's right wing media trying to say "your government is hiding something from you and lying about aliens!" and then to extrapolate that (without saying so) to "what else is it hiding and lying about, e.g. the 'truth' about Covid?". But this theory falls apart when Obama has even talked about the UFOs, but maybe he also noticed the rising interest and just innocently quipped that "we don't know exactly what's out there" to mean "we don't know which country's tech these things are."