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Plastics that consumers end up being responsible for the end-of-life, those need to go. And if consumers need to have it, at least that plastic-like-material mu

Plastics that consumers end up being responsible for the end-of-life, those need to go. And if consumers need to have it, at least that plastic-like-material must be fully biodegradable, without nano or toxic byproducts or leftovers. Plastics that are used for health/industry/logistics, I think those are fine. At the very least, lets stop doing insane stuff like putting BPA on receipts...

steve918 5y ago
Lets just do away with paper receipts.
- marvindanig 5y ago
  Almost 200% of commenters and lurkers on this thread buy dead-tree books on the design patterns and best practices of a javascript framework from 2012. Yeah, not much hope with that here.
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Syonyk 5y ago
"Biodegradable plastics" aren't much better than "recyclable plastics," in terms of actual impact. They live in one of two categories, with almost nothing in the "actually useful" region: - "Super, super happy to biodegrade." In fact, they're doing it before you even get it! The plastics aren't really ever nice to use, because they're chemically coming apart in the store. They're UV sensitive, time sensitive, oxygen sensitive, and are generally about as useful as a DivX DVD. By the time you use it, they're a weird, slightly greasy, weirdly weak mess. They don't work. But, hey, they're biofriendly! Or, not, depending on what, exactly, they degrade into. - "Biodegradable." Given certain conditions. 10x solar UV for 100 years. High temperatures, sustained for periods long beyond what any compost pile can do. Requires certain phases of the moon, sustained for a year without interruption. They're "Biodegradable" on paper, but in reality you can't tell the difference between them and something that isn't. In a typical landfill condition, they last roughly forever. Remember, in a landfill, newspaper is not biodegradable. You can layers of a landfill by the newspapers and magazines you dig up, fully readable. It's a totally sealed, anaerobic environment. Very few "bio" things work in that space. If you require "plastics that are full biodegradable, without nano or toxic byproducts or leftovers," you've effectively banned plastics. Which I'm entirely fine with.
- maxerickson 5y ago
  UV induced degradation isn't biodegradation.
- genericone 5y ago
  What I mean by plastic-like is biodegradable materials that replace a purposely designed subset of these functions of things plastics are really good at: Waterproof Variable stiffness - Flexible / Rigid Airtight Lightweight Capable of being colored Injection Mold process capable Variable opacity - Transparent / Opaque I think cellulose/lignin/chitin based materials could replace many of these functions, there's some progress on that front but not nearly enough to chase down plastics.

steve918 5y ago

Lets just do away with paper receipts.

marvindanig 5y ago
Almost 200% of commenters and lurkers on this thread buy dead-tree books on the design patterns and best practices of a javascript framework from 2012. Yeah, not much hope with that here.
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Syonyk 5y ago

"Biodegradable plastics" aren't much better than "recyclable plastics," in terms of actual impact. They live in one of two categories, with almost nothing in the "actually useful" region: - "Super, super happy to biodegrade." In fact, they're doing it before you even get it! The plastics aren't really ever nice to use, because they're chemically coming apart in the store. They're UV sensitive, time sensitive, oxygen sensitive, and are generally about as useful as a DivX DVD. By the time you use it, they're a weird, slightly greasy, weirdly weak mess. They don't work. But, hey, they're biofriendly! Or, not, depending on what, exactly, they degrade into. - "Biodegradable." Given certain conditions. 10x solar UV for 100 years. High temperatures, sustained for periods long beyond what any compost pile can do. Requires certain phases of the moon, sustained for a year without interruption. They're "Biodegradable" on paper, but in reality you can't tell the difference between them and something that isn't. In a typical landfill condition, they last roughly forever. Remember, in a landfill, newspaper is not biodegradable. You can layers of a landfill by the newspapers and magazines you dig up, fully readable. It's a totally sealed, anaerobic environment. Very few "bio" things work in that space. If you require "plastics that are full biodegradable, without nano or toxic byproducts or leftovers," you've effectively banned plastics. Which I'm entirely fine with.

maxerickson 5y ago
UV induced degradation isn't biodegradation.
genericone 5y ago
What I mean by plastic-like is biodegradable materials that replace a purposely designed subset of these functions of things plastics are really good at: Waterproof Variable stiffness - Flexible / Rigid Airtight Lightweight Capable of being colored Injection Mold process capable Variable opacity - Transparent / Opaque I think cellulose/lignin/chitin based materials could replace many of these functions, there's some progress on that front but not nearly enough to chase down plastics.