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80 encounters with multiple sensors. 143 reliable encounters with one sensor (144 minus 1 balloon). RF emission in a few encounters. They could conceive of no

by xbar 5y ago

80 encounters with multiple sensors. 143 reliable encounters with one sensor (144 minus 1 balloon). RF emission in a few encounters. They could conceive of no explanation for any of them.. They have a lot of data and cannot explain much.

aliasEli 5y ago
No, they said that in most cases crucial data was lacking. Yes, they probably have a lot more data, but they won't release it to the general public for "security reasons".
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > they won't release it to the general public for "security reasons" This is pretty clearly non-scare quotey security reasons territory. We are unsure if what’s on the scope is an adversary’s. Publishing a detailed quantification of how little we know and in what form would be a self goal.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    Yep. And other countries may very well be having the same issues trying to indentify US-originated UFOs.
Retric 5y ago
This is the reminder after they explained millions of identified objects or sensor artifacts. In theory a non trivial fraction of these may be sensor errors for example, but so far they haven’t been identified as such. Ditto for clouds, balloons, drones, aircraft, missiles, falling space debris, etc etc.
freyr 5y ago
Only 18 exhibited unusual behavior that exceeded the capabilities of known technology. For the rest, I imagine they can conceive of explanations, but they lack sufficient data to explain with certainty.
Animats 5y ago
The "multiple sensors" part is important. Anything that has video or radar returns from multiple points is much more interesting than a single-point view. Most illusions break down when observed from multiple widely separated points, like several warships operating together. So little hard data is being released.
- nomoreplease 5y ago
  Does multiple sensors mean multiple sensors on a single plane/ship or sensors on multiple planes/ships? After looking at the document, I took this to mean the former (multiple on same plane/ship)
greydius 5y ago
> reliable encounters with one sensor There's no such thing. An anomaly that doesn't appear on multiple sensors is a defect with your sensor.
- biofox 5y ago
  That doesn't make sense. If I can see something that I can't smell, that doesn't imply that my eyes are defective.
  - greydius 5y ago
    Of course. But if you see something that none of the people around you see, then you might want to question your own sensor or signal processor.
rasz 5y ago
but then you look at one of the examples like the pyramid one and YT analysis that took couple of days to pinpoint the direct cause https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/04/27/colunistas/supostos-ovnis-em-forma-de-piramide-seriam-apenas-um-efeito-optico/ https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/04/27/colunistas/suposto... NVD with 3 blade iris
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Wtf is NVD? An acronym database lists many explanations like Natural Vaginal Delivery.
  - truxten 5y ago
    IIRC its Night Vision Device. Essentially night vision cameras have triangle shaped iris which causes triangle shaped lens flare - hence the triangles in the footage.

by xbar 5y ago

aliasEli 5y ago

No, they said that in most cases crucial data was lacking. Yes, they probably have a lot more data, but they won't release it to the general public for "security reasons".

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> they won't release it to the general public for "security reasons" This is pretty clearly non-scare quotey security reasons territory. We are unsure if what’s on the scope is an adversary’s. Publishing a detailed quantification of how little we know and in what form would be a self goal.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  Yep. And other countries may very well be having the same issues trying to indentify US-originated UFOs.

Retric 5y ago

This is the reminder after they explained millions of identified objects or sensor artifacts. In theory a non trivial fraction of these may be sensor errors for example, but so far they haven’t been identified as such. Ditto for clouds, balloons, drones, aircraft, missiles, falling space debris, etc etc.

freyr 5y ago

Only 18 exhibited unusual behavior that exceeded the capabilities of known technology. For the rest, I imagine they can conceive of explanations, but they lack sufficient data to explain with certainty.

Animats 5y ago

The "multiple sensors" part is important. Anything that has video or radar returns from multiple points is much more interesting than a single-point view. Most illusions break down when observed from multiple widely separated points, like several warships operating together. So little hard data is being released.

nomoreplease 5y ago
Does multiple sensors mean multiple sensors on a single plane/ship or sensors on multiple planes/ships? After looking at the document, I took this to mean the former (multiple on same plane/ship)

greydius 5y ago

> reliable encounters with one sensor There's no such thing. An anomaly that doesn't appear on multiple sensors is a defect with your sensor.

biofox 5y ago
That doesn't make sense. If I can see something that I can't smell, that doesn't imply that my eyes are defective.
- greydius 5y ago
  Of course. But if you see something that none of the people around you see, then you might want to question your own sensor or signal processor.

rasz 5y ago

but then you look at one of the examples like the pyramid one and YT analysis that took couple of days to pinpoint the direct cause https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/04/27/colunistas/supostos-ovnis-em-forma-de-piramide-seriam-apenas-um-efeito-optico/ https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/04/27/colunistas/suposto... NVD with 3 blade iris

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Wtf is NVD? An acronym database lists many explanations like Natural Vaginal Delivery.
- truxten 5y ago
  IIRC its Night Vision Device. Essentially night vision cameras have triangle shaped iris which causes triangle shaped lens flare - hence the triangles in the footage.