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I thought that the internet lately has been nothing but disagreement. Perhaps it's disagreement across tribes, but mandatory agreement within each tribe?

skissane 5y ago
> but mandatory agreement within each tribe? There's seems to be a decent market for contrarian opinions within each tribe though. Such as "Conservatives against Trump" [0] and "Liberals against Cancel Culture" [1] [0] e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/disaffected-republicans-launch-new-group-to-impact-2022-midterms https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/disaffect... [1] e.g. https://medium.com/arc-digital/the-whispered-left-wing-dissent-on-cancel-culture-234d0aaa9107 https://medium.com/arc-digital/the-whispered-left-wing-disse...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  Both of your examples, I think, counter rather than support your point, because neither of those arr particularly welcomed in the tribe they notionally dissent within, but are trumpeted by the opposing tribe (but only for their dissent, not for the views that mark them as in the tribe thet dissent from.) Unless by “...against cancel culture” you mean “...who deny thr existence of ‘cancel culture’ as a significant new or especially liberal/left phenomenon”, but then, those arent dissenters at all.
  - skissane 5y ago
    > neither of those arr particularly welcomed in the tribe they notionally dissent within I don't think anti-Trump conservatives are particularly unwelcome in mainstream American conservatism though. Take someone like the Orthodox Christian journalist Rod Dreher, who says very negative things about Trump ("Donald Trump is flat-out lying to manipulate the political process", [0]), but who has also written a book (Live Not By Lies) claiming that American progressivism is evolving into Soviet-style totalitarianism. Getting invited on to Tucker Carlson's show is a pretty clear sign of being welcome by mainstream American conservatism, and Carlson has invited Dreher (in September last year) on to promote his book, and I'm sure the Fox News audience loved it. Carlson just avoided asking Dreher about his opinions on Trump, he knows what his audience likes and he didn't get where he is by upsetting them. [0] https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/donald-trump-truth-totalitarianism/ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/donald-trump-...
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Carlson just avoided asking Dreher about his opinions on Trump, Right, there's no market for dissent, only for the tribal-conformist views.
      - skissane 5y ago
        It could be worse though – in a more polarized environment, Tucker Carlson would feel unable to invite someone anti-Trump on to his show, even to talk about some topic unrelated to Trump. It is interesting to contemplate, that no matter how bad America's political polarization has become, it could be worse. Actually I do wonder whether centre-left media outlets have the same freedom that Carlson has, to platform dissenters to talk about matters unrelated to their dissent.

skissane 5y ago

> but mandatory agreement within each tribe? There's seems to be a decent market for contrarian opinions within each tribe though. Such as "Conservatives against Trump" [0] and "Liberals against Cancel Culture" [1] [0] e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/disaffected-republicans-launch-new-group-to-impact-2022-midterms https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/disaffect... [1] e.g. https://medium.com/arc-digital/the-whispered-left-wing-dissent-on-cancel-culture-234d0aaa9107 https://medium.com/arc-digital/the-whispered-left-wing-disse...

dragonwriter 5y ago
Both of your examples, I think, counter rather than support your point, because neither of those arr particularly welcomed in the tribe they notionally dissent within, but are trumpeted by the opposing tribe (but only for their dissent, not for the views that mark them as in the tribe thet dissent from.) Unless by “...against cancel culture” you mean “...who deny thr existence of ‘cancel culture’ as a significant new or especially liberal/left phenomenon”, but then, those arent dissenters at all.
- skissane 5y ago
  > neither of those arr particularly welcomed in the tribe they notionally dissent within I don't think anti-Trump conservatives are particularly unwelcome in mainstream American conservatism though. Take someone like the Orthodox Christian journalist Rod Dreher, who says very negative things about Trump ("Donald Trump is flat-out lying to manipulate the political process", [0]), but who has also written a book (Live Not By Lies) claiming that American progressivism is evolving into Soviet-style totalitarianism. Getting invited on to Tucker Carlson's show is a pretty clear sign of being welcome by mainstream American conservatism, and Carlson has invited Dreher (in September last year) on to promote his book, and I'm sure the Fox News audience loved it. Carlson just avoided asking Dreher about his opinions on Trump, he knows what his audience likes and he didn't get where he is by upsetting them. [0] https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/donald-trump-truth-totalitarianism/ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/donald-trump-...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Carlson just avoided asking Dreher about his opinions on Trump, Right, there's no market for dissent, only for the tribal-conformist views.
    - skissane 5y ago
      It could be worse though – in a more polarized environment, Tucker Carlson would feel unable to invite someone anti-Trump on to his show, even to talk about some topic unrelated to Trump. It is interesting to contemplate, that no matter how bad America's political polarization has become, it could be worse. Actually I do wonder whether centre-left media outlets have the same freedom that Carlson has, to platform dissenters to talk about matters unrelated to their dissent.