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>About 70% of DID patients are also diagnosed with BPD, and the two conditions are often considered part of the same spectrum. >I’m certainly not saying that a

>About 70% of DID patients are also diagnosed with BPD, and the two conditions are often considered part of the same spectrum. >I’m certainly not saying that all trans people have personality disorders or that being trans is a mental illness. A little bit of whiplash on this one. Despite the sentence or two claiming what the author is purportedly not doing, the rest of the article seems to indicate otherwise. If you don't want an article that makes you look like you're conflating trans people and mental illness... don't use a trans person as a springboard to talk about mental illness.

slver 5y ago
So we can't discuss trans people as a category and their correlations? There's a line between avoiding harmful stereotypes that lead to unfair discrimination and willful ignorance or misrepresentation of facts in service of political correctness. It's extremely hard to say where this line is. But we still have to be aware of its existence.
- bingidingi 5y ago
  I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be discussed, but the author was so conscious of the correlations made in the article that they felt the need to literally write that they're not trying to make those correlations. There's no shortage of people linking transgendered people and mental illness, just as there's no shortage of people linking homosexuality to mental illness. If you're not trying to strengthen those assumptions, then use different examples... it seems lazy to just try to hand-wave it away in a sentence rather than using a different example.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    Considering the amount of discrimination, harassment, and hostility these people endure every single day, I would be surprised if they remained perfectly sane.
zepto 5y ago
Lots of trans people in fact are mentally ill. Given the additional stresses and oppresive social experiences trans people face and are outspoken about, this is entirely unsurprising.
- bingidingi 5y ago
  Sure, but this isn't an article about the mental health issues faced by trans people, it's an article about mental illness' role on the internet that uses DID, BPD, and trans people as the primary example of mental illness.
- jandrese 5y ago
  Mental health in relation to sexual identity is a massive minefield in online discussion. As soon as you go down that path you are in the realm of "curing" trans people of their mental illnesses, aka literally Hitler. It doesn't matter what you're actually saying, the only thing very online people are going to read is how you want to eliminate deviant sexual identity with medicine.
  - amznthrwaway 5y ago
    And very online people like you whine and cry about how you’re the real victims if anybody critiques any aspects of your ideas, or probes your motives. Because very online white male people are so ensconced in privilege that they not only demand to be able to say any thought that comes into their head; you are such entitled little princesses that you must be able to say it without anybody ever being even slightly mean to you in reply. And then, comically, whiny, thin-skinned little losers like yourself call other people snowflakes and characterize them poorly, without ever realizing what an absolute hypocrite you are.
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    amznthrwaway: If you read this, know you are shadowbanned - only certain people can see your content. I can only guess it has something to do with being a bigot and not just wishing for people to die, but directly wishing for the parents of fellow posters here to die. You claim to have been shadow-banned before (I know I was, many years ago) but somehow, you don't know you've been banned for the past two months. And somehow you don't realize how unacceptable it is to criticize and insult racial groups and all members within it simply because of their skin color, no matter the color.
falldmg 5y ago
To say there is no issues with irrational behavior in the LGBT community online would be criminal dishonesty. This is not a personal indictment against trans people or LGBT people as a whole, who have existed before Twitter, before Tumblr, and before Live Journal. The author, IMO, should not have to jump through Olympic hoops in order to distance themselves from the transphobic conclusion being pushed on them. They said that wasn't their intent, and the article doesn't appear to draw that conclusion. That really ought to be the end of it. This is exactly one of the problems with modern internet discourse. And I know someone is reading this comment wondering if I'm "one of the good ones". This mindset is, in itself, toxic and irrational. While bad intent matters, the absense of evidence of bad intent should be good enough ground to stand on.
- Tainnor 5y ago
  There are "issues" with irrational behaviour within the LGBT community [1] online and offline,[2] just as there are such issues with any other community or group of individuals, including e.g. HackerNews. That said, I'm feeling that your comment is implying something rather specific and I'm not sure what it is, so I think it would enhance the quality of the discussion if you made some claims that were slightly less vague and therefore more amenable for debate. That said, you'll find more LGBT people "online" on dating/hookup apps (or even just on Instagram) than on Twitter, Tumblr and co. [1] The term is always a bit difficult, as obviously, LGBT people are not a monolithic bloc (and I think that, in particular, gay, lesbian, bi, inter and trans, each differ significantly from each other in terms not only of their challenges but also of their daily lives, interaction patterns, etc.). The term "LGBT community" also often fails to specify whether we're talking about political activists which are a very small subset of the "wider" community. It is true that LGBT people face similar challenges and have shared experiences that may lead them to share certain viewpoints, and it is true that there are certain venues and safe spots that many (though not all) LGBT people will frequent occasionally (some very often, others more rarely); also, just very naturally, LGBT members often interact e.g. through dating and friendship patterns. So I don't want to say that the term "LGBT community" is wrong or doesn't mean anything, as there is certainly something binding all these experiences together however loosely, but the term is certainly fraught with complications when used so broadly. [2] Though which ones these are often differ between the different "sub-communities". E.g. the average attitude towards high-risk sex behaviour is definitely not the same for gay men as for lesbian women.
zozbot234 5y ago
> A little bit of whiplash on this one. Despite the sentence or two claiming what the author is purportedly not doing, the rest of the article seems to indicate otherwise. Trans people who actively post online about their trans status are a narrowly selected subset of trans people as a whole, and those who act obnoxious enough to be a foremost example of OP's point even more peculiarly so. One should never try to derive generalized descriptive statements from such narrow anecdata.

slver 5y ago

So we can't discuss trans people as a category and their correlations? There's a line between avoiding harmful stereotypes that lead to unfair discrimination and willful ignorance or misrepresentation of facts in service of political correctness. It's extremely hard to say where this line is. But we still have to be aware of its existence.

bingidingi 5y ago
I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be discussed, but the author was so conscious of the correlations made in the article that they felt the need to literally write that they're not trying to make those correlations. There's no shortage of people linking transgendered people and mental illness, just as there's no shortage of people linking homosexuality to mental illness. If you're not trying to strengthen those assumptions, then use different examples... it seems lazy to just try to hand-wave it away in a sentence rather than using a different example.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Considering the amount of discrimination, harassment, and hostility these people endure every single day, I would be surprised if they remained perfectly sane.

zepto 5y ago

Lots of trans people in fact are mentally ill. Given the additional stresses and oppresive social experiences trans people face and are outspoken about, this is entirely unsurprising.

bingidingi 5y ago
Sure, but this isn't an article about the mental health issues faced by trans people, it's an article about mental illness' role on the internet that uses DID, BPD, and trans people as the primary example of mental illness.
jandrese 5y ago
Mental health in relation to sexual identity is a massive minefield in online discussion. As soon as you go down that path you are in the realm of "curing" trans people of their mental illnesses, aka literally Hitler. It doesn't matter what you're actually saying, the only thing very online people are going to read is how you want to eliminate deviant sexual identity with medicine.
- amznthrwaway 5y ago
  And very online people like you whine and cry about how you’re the real victims if anybody critiques any aspects of your ideas, or probes your motives. Because very online white male people are so ensconced in privilege that they not only demand to be able to say any thought that comes into their head; you are such entitled little princesses that you must be able to say it without anybody ever being even slightly mean to you in reply. And then, comically, whiny, thin-skinned little losers like yourself call other people snowflakes and characterize them poorly, without ever realizing what an absolute hypocrite you are.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  amznthrwaway: If you read this, know you are shadowbanned - only certain people can see your content. I can only guess it has something to do with being a bigot and not just wishing for people to die, but directly wishing for the parents of fellow posters here to die. You claim to have been shadow-banned before (I know I was, many years ago) but somehow, you don't know you've been banned for the past two months. And somehow you don't realize how unacceptable it is to criticize and insult racial groups and all members within it simply because of their skin color, no matter the color.

falldmg 5y ago

To say there is no issues with irrational behavior in the LGBT community online would be criminal dishonesty. This is not a personal indictment against trans people or LGBT people as a whole, who have existed before Twitter, before Tumblr, and before Live Journal. The author, IMO, should not have to jump through Olympic hoops in order to distance themselves from the transphobic conclusion being pushed on them. They said that wasn't their intent, and the article doesn't appear to draw that conclusion. That really ought to be the end of it. This is exactly one of the problems with modern internet discourse. And I know someone is reading this comment wondering if I'm "one of the good ones". This mindset is, in itself, toxic and irrational. While bad intent matters, the absense of evidence of bad intent should be good enough ground to stand on.

Tainnor 5y ago
There are "issues" with irrational behaviour within the LGBT community [1] online and offline,[2] just as there are such issues with any other community or group of individuals, including e.g. HackerNews. That said, I'm feeling that your comment is implying something rather specific and I'm not sure what it is, so I think it would enhance the quality of the discussion if you made some claims that were slightly less vague and therefore more amenable for debate. That said, you'll find more LGBT people "online" on dating/hookup apps (or even just on Instagram) than on Twitter, Tumblr and co. [1] The term is always a bit difficult, as obviously, LGBT people are not a monolithic bloc (and I think that, in particular, gay, lesbian, bi, inter and trans, each differ significantly from each other in terms not only of their challenges but also of their daily lives, interaction patterns, etc.). The term "LGBT community" also often fails to specify whether we're talking about political activists which are a very small subset of the "wider" community. It is true that LGBT people face similar challenges and have shared experiences that may lead them to share certain viewpoints, and it is true that there are certain venues and safe spots that many (though not all) LGBT people will frequent occasionally (some very often, others more rarely); also, just very naturally, LGBT members often interact e.g. through dating and friendship patterns. So I don't want to say that the term "LGBT community" is wrong or doesn't mean anything, as there is certainly something binding all these experiences together however loosely, but the term is certainly fraught with complications when used so broadly. [2] Though which ones these are often differ between the different "sub-communities". E.g. the average attitude towards high-risk sex behaviour is definitely not the same for gay men as for lesbian women.

zozbot234 5y ago

> A little bit of whiplash on this one. Despite the sentence or two claiming what the author is purportedly not doing, the rest of the article seems to indicate otherwise. Trans people who actively post online about their trans status are a narrowly selected subset of trans people as a whole, and those who act obnoxious enough to be a foremost example of OP's point even more peculiarly so. One should never try to derive generalized descriptive statements from such narrow anecdata.