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>> improving Mozilla’s existing products and services >> creating and developing new products I agree that these are concerning. They seem out of place. If yo

by xpe 5y ago

>> improving Mozilla’s existing products and services >> creating and developing new products I agree that these are concerning. They seem out of place. If you want to start a petition asking Mozilla to clarify and/or remove these clauses, I would sign it.

elliekelly 5y ago
I almost opened an issue on their GitHub[1] (one of their privacy-related documents invites people to "call them on it" if you have privacy concerns) but I decided against it because I worried about harassment from sleuthing HN readers finding me on other platforms. Such are the compromises you make as a lady on the internet sometimes. [1]https://github.com/mozilla-rally https://github.com/mozilla-rally
- Nicksil 5y ago
  >but I decided against it because I worried about harassment from sleuthing HN readers finding me on other platforms. Such are the compromises you make as a lady on the internet sometimes. You make it easy for the internet assholes to do this to you. If your HN username is your real name that is a really big problem for your privacy. Your occupation is stated in your profile. Likewise, stating your sex might as well be your privacy's death knell. Become more anonymous to provide less ammunition to those with nothing more to do than torment others, then continue doing the things you feel are the right things to do without excuse.
  - elliekelly 5y ago
    I've been interneting-while-woman for three decades now so of course my username isn't my real name. But (like most developers) my GitHub includes my real name, my photo, and my company, hence my hesitation. I have to wonder, though... are you as quick to chastise the "internet assholes" you see harassing women online as you were to chastise me for having the audacity to admit my gender online?
    - Nicksil 5y ago
      That wasn't chastising you. I don't know you so there was no way I could have known how long you've been on the internet nor your depth in experience in identity within it. I was attempting to point out some of the bigger factors feeding into your complaint, regarding the potential of people harassing you, with the intent of no more than to bring attention to something you may have overlooked, as humans tend to do sometimes. You're being combative for no reason so I'll leave it here but, in the future, don't always assume malice.
      - xpe 5y ago
        I see both sides here. On the whole, I think both people are trying to contribute and help in their own ways. Some more specific comments: > You're being combative for no reason so I'll leave it here but, in the future, don't always assume malice. Saying "no reason" doesn't ring true to me. What one person considers to be (valid) reasons is subjective. In my view, 'reasons' includes a person's identity and experiences. With that in mind, how do you think this alternative message would have been received... ? "It was not my intention to chastise you. I meant well in offering some ways to reduce the chances that trolls come after you. Please don't assume malice. I'm happy to listen if you have suggestions on how I could communicate the message more effectively."
      - elliekelly 5y ago
        I don’t think it’s in any way “combative” to point out that I am indeed competent and capable of interacting with the online world safely without the assistance patronizing of strangers on the internet. And, whether your intention or not, that’s exactly what your comment was: patronizing. With undertones of “well what did you think would happen when you present yourself in such a way”. Whether you’re willing to admit it or not, comments like yours aren’t helpful — they’re part of the problem.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        Now that's just nuts.

by xpe 5y ago

elliekelly 5y ago

I almost opened an issue on their GitHub[1] (one of their privacy-related documents invites people to "call them on it" if you have privacy concerns) but I decided against it because I worried about harassment from sleuthing HN readers finding me on other platforms. Such are the compromises you make as a lady on the internet sometimes. [1]https://github.com/mozilla-rally https://github.com/mozilla-rally

Nicksil 5y ago
>but I decided against it because I worried about harassment from sleuthing HN readers finding me on other platforms. Such are the compromises you make as a lady on the internet sometimes. You make it easy for the internet assholes to do this to you. If your HN username is your real name that is a really big problem for your privacy. Your occupation is stated in your profile. Likewise, stating your sex might as well be your privacy's death knell. Become more anonymous to provide less ammunition to those with nothing more to do than torment others, then continue doing the things you feel are the right things to do without excuse.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  I've been interneting-while-woman for three decades now so of course my username isn't my real name. But (like most developers) my GitHub includes my real name, my photo, and my company, hence my hesitation. I have to wonder, though... are you as quick to chastise the "internet assholes" you see harassing women online as you were to chastise me for having the audacity to admit my gender online?
  - Nicksil 5y ago
    That wasn't chastising you. I don't know you so there was no way I could have known how long you've been on the internet nor your depth in experience in identity within it. I was attempting to point out some of the bigger factors feeding into your complaint, regarding the potential of people harassing you, with the intent of no more than to bring attention to something you may have overlooked, as humans tend to do sometimes. You're being combative for no reason so I'll leave it here but, in the future, don't always assume malice.
    - xpe 5y ago
      I see both sides here. On the whole, I think both people are trying to contribute and help in their own ways. Some more specific comments: > You're being combative for no reason so I'll leave it here but, in the future, don't always assume malice. Saying "no reason" doesn't ring true to me. What one person considers to be (valid) reasons is subjective. In my view, 'reasons' includes a person's identity and experiences. With that in mind, how do you think this alternative message would have been received... ? "It was not my intention to chastise you. I meant well in offering some ways to reduce the chances that trolls come after you. Please don't assume malice. I'm happy to listen if you have suggestions on how I could communicate the message more effectively."
    - elliekelly 5y ago
      I don’t think it’s in any way “combative” to point out that I am indeed competent and capable of interacting with the online world safely without the assistance patronizing of strangers on the internet. And, whether your intention or not, that’s exactly what your comment was: patronizing. With undertones of “well what did you think would happen when you present yourself in such a way”. Whether you’re willing to admit it or not, comments like yours aren’t helpful — they’re part of the problem.
      - Nicksil 5y ago
        Now that's just nuts.