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How are you employed if you won't fix bugs. These types of devs are so annoying to be around. Crank out weird esoteric hard to read code using every weird meta

How are you employed if you won't fix bugs. These types of devs are so annoying to be around. Crank out weird esoteric hard to read code using every weird meta feature / reflections / introspections they can. Then "hard pass" on fixing bugs as a waste of time. You do realize most developers are asked to fix bugs anyways, regardless of any silly competition? Their pitch to Organizations is that 1) They may be able to help you save money 2) They may make it more fun / easier to solve bugs. Pitch to developers - they'll give you some perks for doing your job. Note that I also think it's lame because I don't think code guru is that good and don't care about re"invent

theli0nheart 5y ago
> How are you employed if you won't fix bugs. These types of devs are so annoying to be around. Crank out weird esoteric hard to read code using every weird meta feature / reflections / introspections they can. Then "hard pass" on fixing bugs as a waste of time. You misread pretty much everything I wrote. My original comment wasn't an explanation for why fixing bugs in general is a "waste of time". My opinion is that uploading your code to this service that uses ML to automatically generate bugs for your team to do a bug bash on is a waste of time. Our bug backlog has hundreds, if not thousands, of bugs already. We don't need to rely on ML to tell us what to fix. We have real issues that customers are facing that need immediate attention. This is just a total distraction and a waste of time.
ARandumGuy 5y ago
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how this works, this isn't "give you some perks for doing your job." It's getting perks for doing your job, for someone who isn't paying you. And that's what the problem is. If you want me to fix your bugs, pay me for it. Don't do this gamification nonsense. Edit: apparently I did misunderstand how this works. It seems like the "Bugbusters" are just a company's normal developers. It still seems kinda dumb, but not as exploitative as I initially thought.
- jedberg 5y ago
  They're marketing page isn't super clear, but it's adding structure for a company's existing bug bashes. You set up a bug hung for your own developers on your own code.
  - mdaniel 5y ago
    Then why in the world make Internet Widgets, Pty users create yet another login on some random .aws property that (as very best I can tell) does not support any kind of SSO auth that an outside organization would use: GitHub/GitLab, IAM/Cognito nor OIDC/SAML
- slownews45 5y ago
  Yeah, they are just trying to get devs to try their tooling. If tool was amazing, this would be great. But it's hardly the big exploitation people are describing here though it's a bit true that bug fixing is less fun for some and so is often ignored. That said, other providers of this type of tooling might take some ideas from something like this.

theli0nheart 5y ago

> How are you employed if you won't fix bugs. These types of devs are so annoying to be around. Crank out weird esoteric hard to read code using every weird meta feature / reflections / introspections they can. Then "hard pass" on fixing bugs as a waste of time. You misread pretty much everything I wrote. My original comment wasn't an explanation for why fixing bugs in general is a "waste of time". My opinion is that uploading your code to this service that uses ML to automatically generate bugs for your team to do a bug bash on is a waste of time. Our bug backlog has hundreds, if not thousands, of bugs already. We don't need to rely on ML to tell us what to fix. We have real issues that customers are facing that need immediate attention. This is just a total distraction and a waste of time.

ARandumGuy 5y ago

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how this works, this isn't "give you some perks for doing your job." It's getting perks for doing your job, for someone who isn't paying you. And that's what the problem is. If you want me to fix your bugs, pay me for it. Don't do this gamification nonsense. Edit: apparently I did misunderstand how this works. It seems like the "Bugbusters" are just a company's normal developers. It still seems kinda dumb, but not as exploitative as I initially thought.

jedberg 5y ago
They're marketing page isn't super clear, but it's adding structure for a company's existing bug bashes. You set up a bug hung for your own developers on your own code.
- mdaniel 5y ago
  Then why in the world make Internet Widgets, Pty users create yet another login on some random .aws property that (as very best I can tell) does not support any kind of SSO auth that an outside organization would use: GitHub/GitLab, IAM/Cognito nor OIDC/SAML
slownews45 5y ago
Yeah, they are just trying to get devs to try their tooling. If tool was amazing, this would be great. But it's hardly the big exploitation people are describing here though it's a bit true that bug fixing is less fun for some and so is often ignored. That said, other providers of this type of tooling might take some ideas from something like this.