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> particularly when people are scared by elevated violent crime numbers. Crime has been down from the 1990s to 2020. People has been more and more scare of les

> particularly when people are scared by elevated violent crime numbers. Crime has been down from the 1990s to 2020. People has been more and more scare of less and less crime. > "defund the police" led Minneapolis to actually start working towards dismantling its police department That is not the case, reading your link they are creating a "Department of Public Safety in Minneapolis to oversee policing, violence prevention, and community safety programs". So, from your link, nobody is dismantling the police department but they are changing its responsibilities and structure to be more effective with the current challenges. > some extremists literally want to do that in New York "extremists" > need to see a policy framework worked out in smaller cities before they can be applied to New York That is reasonable. Even better is to apply it to New York but in small scale. A little town and New York have little in common.

zdragnar 5y ago
Nobody is dismantling the police department here because as soon as they started talking about abolishing it, crime spiked and the community fought back. There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the debacle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement_in_Minneapolis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement_in...
- kaitai 5y ago
  The Wikipedia page indeed is interesting. As I note above, it mentions the shift of 4.5% of the police budget to violence prevention and mental health response teams. In addition, if you look at violent crime in Minneapolis, the chronology of the spike doesn't line up with your contentions. It does line up with economic effects of the coronavirus and with the effects of the protests here (I'm including arson committed by folks from outstate MN or WI here, and I don't think that ought to be blamed on Minneapolitans. That stuff stopped when we shut down the highways, and if suburbanites and rural folks stopped driving here to commit their crimes and buy their drugs we'd all be better off.) The situation in Minneapolis is complex, but we're all confused by the fact that all the new developments are selling condos starting at $900,000 and you can get artisanal hand-made tacos from Nixta and stand in line for a block in this dystopian ghost town to spend $17 on a pizza from Boludo.... But hey, gotta serve the narrative, eh?
  - zdragnar 5y ago
    Keep in mind that crime statistics have been skewed lately. After George Floyd hit the news, some neighborhoods banded together (Powderhorn at least I think) and vowed to not call the police for anything less than an emergency, opting instead for active neighnorhood watches. I suspect the momentum on that died out after awhile, but haven't really kept abreast of it. What I do know is that a large employer is moving out of NE minneapolis to the burbs (my friend works there) because, after having to install bullet proof windows in their office, the CEO said enough was enough. (Incidentally, this place is only a few blocks from where the first parts of the dismembered guy were found).
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zdragnar 5y ago

Nobody is dismantling the police department here because as soon as they started talking about abolishing it, crime spiked and the community fought back. There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the debacle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement_in_Minneapolis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement_in...

kaitai 5y ago
The Wikipedia page indeed is interesting. As I note above, it mentions the shift of 4.5% of the police budget to violence prevention and mental health response teams. In addition, if you look at violent crime in Minneapolis, the chronology of the spike doesn't line up with your contentions. It does line up with economic effects of the coronavirus and with the effects of the protests here (I'm including arson committed by folks from outstate MN or WI here, and I don't think that ought to be blamed on Minneapolitans. That stuff stopped when we shut down the highways, and if suburbanites and rural folks stopped driving here to commit their crimes and buy their drugs we'd all be better off.) The situation in Minneapolis is complex, but we're all confused by the fact that all the new developments are selling condos starting at $900,000 and you can get artisanal hand-made tacos from Nixta and stand in line for a block in this dystopian ghost town to spend $17 on a pizza from Boludo.... But hey, gotta serve the narrative, eh?
- zdragnar 5y ago
  Keep in mind that crime statistics have been skewed lately. After George Floyd hit the news, some neighborhoods banded together (Powderhorn at least I think) and vowed to not call the police for anything less than an emergency, opting instead for active neighnorhood watches. I suspect the momentum on that died out after awhile, but haven't really kept abreast of it. What I do know is that a large employer is moving out of NE minneapolis to the burbs (my friend works there) because, after having to install bullet proof windows in their office, the CEO said enough was enough. (Incidentally, this place is only a few blocks from where the first parts of the dismembered guy were found).

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