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This is crazy. No. Lack of school doesn’t create harm. Attempting to shoehorn traditional schooling into an online form certainly can.

dogma1138 5y ago
These aren’t mutually exclusive, it’s not like there was enough time to come up with something better. Wealthier households with a well functioning family unit did well perhaps even better than normal, poorer ones and or ones that had family issues most likely resulted in a much poorer outcome than normal schooling. How much did it actually impact children we won’t know for quite some time, it would all depend on how many of them will catch up and how the education system would adapt to the new gap(s).
BitwiseFool 5y ago
So much of school is socialization with other human beings. Beyond academics, children need to experience being in a group and learning about how people are supposed to interact with each other. And most of this is not explicitly taught, but acquired through trial and error and simple monkey-see, monkey-do. You can't get that level of interaction and fidelity online.
- adamnemecek 5y ago
  Sure. But then you end up with adults who are incapable of socialization outside of school. Maybe having children develop making friends outside of school is a good idea.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    I'm looking at it in terms of critical periods (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period), and mostly geared toward elementary school children. Where they would be acquiring the basic stuff of interacting with other people. I wasn't trying to imply that children cannot learn these things outside of school. But being around so many peers in an environment geared towards interaction seems ideal.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    > Maybe having children develop making friends outside of school is a good idea. What? You're going to let your children have playdates? In the middle of a pandemic?!
  - tolbish 5y ago
    It's striking how often you see adults who don't have friends they see regularly or even speak to their neighbors.
whoomp12342 5y ago
all we are is just another brick in the wall
- loopz 5y ago
  I wonder if there could be positives in the experience, some maturing, and gratefulness when returning to school. On what data is this based on?
ryathal 5y ago
Lack of School can cause harm. We know there is a fairly limited window in which learning is significantly easier and more effective.
- guidoism 5y ago
  Can you cite something that describes this? As far as I know all the research suggests that you can learn certain things at any time after your brain has matured enough for the skill but not before. So putting off a year of school has no negative effects.

dogma1138 5y ago

These aren’t mutually exclusive, it’s not like there was enough time to come up with something better. Wealthier households with a well functioning family unit did well perhaps even better than normal, poorer ones and or ones that had family issues most likely resulted in a much poorer outcome than normal schooling. How much did it actually impact children we won’t know for quite some time, it would all depend on how many of them will catch up and how the education system would adapt to the new gap(s).

BitwiseFool 5y ago

So much of school is socialization with other human beings. Beyond academics, children need to experience being in a group and learning about how people are supposed to interact with each other. And most of this is not explicitly taught, but acquired through trial and error and simple monkey-see, monkey-do. You can't get that level of interaction and fidelity online.

adamnemecek 5y ago
Sure. But then you end up with adults who are incapable of socialization outside of school. Maybe having children develop making friends outside of school is a good idea.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  I'm looking at it in terms of critical periods (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period), and mostly geared toward elementary school children. Where they would be acquiring the basic stuff of interacting with other people. I wasn't trying to imply that children cannot learn these things outside of school. But being around so many peers in an environment geared towards interaction seems ideal.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > Maybe having children develop making friends outside of school is a good idea. What? You're going to let your children have playdates? In the middle of a pandemic?!
- tolbish 5y ago
  It's striking how often you see adults who don't have friends they see regularly or even speak to their neighbors.

whoomp12342 5y ago

all we are is just another brick in the wall

loopz 5y ago
I wonder if there could be positives in the experience, some maturing, and gratefulness when returning to school. On what data is this based on?

ryathal 5y ago

Lack of School can cause harm. We know there is a fairly limited window in which learning is significantly easier and more effective.

guidoism 5y ago
Can you cite something that describes this? As far as I know all the research suggests that you can learn certain things at any time after your brain has matured enough for the skill but not before. So putting off a year of school has no negative effects.