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The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor prepa

by mint2 5y ago

The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor preparation and response to the virus. And used it more to further a racist culture war than doing anything constructive. So yes, at a time when it was pure speculation used for a harmful agenda, the “orange man” was grossly irresponsible. And he acted like if it was true we could go back to normal and stop quarantining. But sure, when lurching from speculation to speculation in a desperate attempt to shift blame and go back to normal, throwing random unfounded ideas like ingesting bleach, hydroxychloroquine, and lab leaks, then sometime the broken clock is right. Edit: Policy needs to be data driven, not driven by complete speculation. Later it doesn’t matter what comes out if at the time the “theory” policies were based on were unfounded speculation. That is grossly negligent. Timing matters. And all of these matters are still speculation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/21/hydroxycholoroquine-coronavirus-treatment-trump-allies-cant-quit/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/21/hydroxych...

mrkstu 5y ago
Trump’s stance on a particular fact should have zero correlation on the reporting of that fact- that it does, is an indictment of a whole industry.
jimmygrapes 5y ago
Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.
- mint2 5y ago
  Americans are literally drinking bleach https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/?sh=60e444d76748 https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some... Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body” My statement is supported. Please do not accuse me of “pushing blatant falsehoods” when even a cursory google provides concrete evidence that my claim is true.
  - jaz2130 5y ago
    That article that that Forbes post cited claims that two (!) people in Georgia drank Chlorine dioxide. There is also no evidence that Trump is the reason they drank it. 2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!" Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, it ensures discussions here on HN are productive. Also, the leading fact checkers, Politifact, refute your claim and state that "No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach". It is not very useful to be pushing debunked narratives on Hacker News... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/no-trump-didnt-tell-americans-infected-coronavirus/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/...
    - mint2 5y ago
      Trump went on live tv and literally rambled about injecting disinfectants as a possible treatment for the virus. And “ramble” is not opinion, there is no better word for his statement on disinfectants, repeated below. I disagree with the politifact rating, based on what Trump said it should be “mostly true”. And the cdc even conduced a poll, apparently in response to trump’s press conference, that found 4% of respondents ingested or gargled bleach. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/... Biden named one of the specific types of disinfectant that trumps followers were literally drinking in response to his ramble about injecting disinfectants. The claim is mostly true. Here trump’s quote below, HN readers can be the judge if it. “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
      - jaz2130 5y ago
        That quote does not say to drink disinfectant... implying that it does is disingenuous at best. Even the far left PolitiFact admits that!
- jaz2130 5y ago
  Yeah, it’s interesting his misinformation doesn’t get flagged or deleted. Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.
  - mint2 5y ago
    In reply to the other comment accusing me of “blatent falsehoods”, I already showed my claim was supported and that a quick google would show that. Your comment came about half and hour after I provided that support. Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.
    - jaz2130 5y ago
      Please don't use divisive language like saying I "attacked" you. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN
      - mint2 5y ago
        Your comment said I was posting misinformation and speculated the only reason I wasn’t deleted or flagged was moderator bias. That is an attack and hostile, especially when I’d already followed up showing my comment was not misinformation.
snet0 5y ago
It's interesting that people are willing to provide the "we shouldn't make conclusions without facts" argument for hydroxychloroquine, but insist that they were "right" about the lab leak way back in March 2020 when nobody knew anything.

by mint2 5y ago

mrkstu 5y ago

Trump’s stance on a particular fact should have zero correlation on the reporting of that fact- that it does, is an indictment of a whole industry.

jimmygrapes 5y ago

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

mint2 5y ago
Americans are literally drinking bleach https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/?sh=60e444d76748 https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some... Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body” My statement is supported. Please do not accuse me of “pushing blatant falsehoods” when even a cursory google provides concrete evidence that my claim is true.
- jaz2130 5y ago
  That article that that Forbes post cited claims that two (!) people in Georgia drank Chlorine dioxide. There is also no evidence that Trump is the reason they drank it. 2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!" Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, it ensures discussions here on HN are productive. Also, the leading fact checkers, Politifact, refute your claim and state that "No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach". It is not very useful to be pushing debunked narratives on Hacker News... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/no-trump-didnt-tell-americans-infected-coronavirus/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/...
  - mint2 5y ago
    Trump went on live tv and literally rambled about injecting disinfectants as a possible treatment for the virus. And “ramble” is not opinion, there is no better word for his statement on disinfectants, repeated below. I disagree with the politifact rating, based on what Trump said it should be “mostly true”. And the cdc even conduced a poll, apparently in response to trump’s press conference, that found 4% of respondents ingested or gargled bleach. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/... Biden named one of the specific types of disinfectant that trumps followers were literally drinking in response to his ramble about injecting disinfectants. The claim is mostly true. Here trump’s quote below, HN readers can be the judge if it. “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
    - jaz2130 5y ago
      That quote does not say to drink disinfectant... implying that it does is disingenuous at best. Even the far left PolitiFact admits that!
jaz2130 5y ago
Yeah, it’s interesting his misinformation doesn’t get flagged or deleted. Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.
- mint2 5y ago
  In reply to the other comment accusing me of “blatent falsehoods”, I already showed my claim was supported and that a quick google would show that. Your comment came about half and hour after I provided that support. Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.
  - jaz2130 5y ago
    Please don't use divisive language like saying I "attacked" you. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN
    - mint2 5y ago
      Your comment said I was posting misinformation and speculated the only reason I wasn’t deleted or flagged was moderator bias. That is an attack and hostile, especially when I’d already followed up showing my comment was not misinformation.

snet0 5y ago

It's interesting that people are willing to provide the "we shouldn't make conclusions without facts" argument for hydroxychloroquine, but insist that they were "right" about the lab leak way back in March 2020 when nobody knew anything.