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To save English speakers a couple of clicks to translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answe

by epage 5y ago

To save English speakers a couple of clicks to translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http...

belter 5y ago
Keep in mind this community is probably censored: https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your-real-identity-if-you-want-to-comment-online/ https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your... From the online translation, the mention by one the commentators that the Kernel Maintainer is also Chinese...give me a bit of a chill... To make it clear ...Not that I would not trust the maintainer, instead, my concern is that depending where he is based a window could be open to unpleasant pressure...
- markus_zhang 5y ago
  Yeah real identity has been going on for a while and recently I had to submit my id number too but I don't think it affects most of the discussion on Zhihu as long as it's not too politically sensitive. It's an annoyance for many people in oversea though.
  - belter 5y ago
    As I am not a Chinese speaker..do you confirm there is in the thread a comment that the maintainer is also Chinese ? I am concerned about possible pressure from Huawei and its "shareholders": https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 to a Kernel maintainer. Looking at the heavy down votes my post got its not a concern here...
    - markus_zhang 5y ago
      Yeah one reply says so. The name is Qu Wenruo (definitely a Chinese name) and his github repo is at: https://github.com/adam900710 https://github.com/adam900710 From the email it looks like he works/worked in SUSE.
    - Aperocky 5y ago
      Your post are downvoted because it is borderline racist. The maintainer happened to be Chinese and that gave you 'chills'. There are 1.4 billion Chinese and most of them live in China, there are also open source projects hosted in China, and a lot of open source contribution coming from people living in China, if only because there are many people there. The media links you posted are also made of conjecture ('Trump administration claims' is literally in the title) and you've then stretched them with your own imagination to arrive at your 'concerns'.
      - belter 5y ago
        The comment is not racist because if you did read it the concern was NOT about the maintainer being Chinese and I made that VERY CLEAR. The concern was that in the Chinese group discussion commentators were mentioning he was Chinese. Now why would that be relevant indeed ? It can be relevant because it open the possibility to him being pressured by a company that is partly owned by the Chinese Army. That is where the chill was coming from... Hopefully he is based in the US. Now tell me, where is the racism ?
        belter 5y ago
        Who Owns Huawei ? https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 Who Owns Huawei? The Company Tried to Explain. It Got Complicated. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawei.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawe...
        DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
        This is a detailed refutation of that paper: https://pekingnology.substack.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a-response https://pekingnology.substack.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a... It goes into the specifics of the Chinese laws governing employee share ownership, and why the employee shares are held by the union (it has to do with arcana of 1990s-era Chinese laws governing stock distribution by non-publicly-traded companies). Balding & Clarke fundamentally misunderstand why the union is used as a share-holding vehicle, and what the legal implications of that are.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  BTW, mentioning his origins probably has something to do with "saving face", it was probably more embarassing to the Chinese patch submitter to have been criticized by another Chinese person compared to a Westerner, since in Asia the mentality of "we're from the same country, we'll look out for each other, and one of us shouldn't be making another look bad in public." is more pevalent.

by epage 5y ago

belter 5y ago

Keep in mind this community is probably censored: https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your-real-identity-if-you-want-to-comment-online/ https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your... From the online translation, the mention by one the commentators that the Kernel Maintainer is also Chinese...give me a bit of a chill... To make it clear ...Not that I would not trust the maintainer, instead, my concern is that depending where he is based a window could be open to unpleasant pressure...

markus_zhang 5y ago
Yeah real identity has been going on for a while and recently I had to submit my id number too but I don't think it affects most of the discussion on Zhihu as long as it's not too politically sensitive. It's an annoyance for many people in oversea though.
- belter 5y ago
  As I am not a Chinese speaker..do you confirm there is in the thread a comment that the maintainer is also Chinese ? I am concerned about possible pressure from Huawei and its "shareholders": https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 to a Kernel maintainer. Looking at the heavy down votes my post got its not a concern here...
  - markus_zhang 5y ago
    Yeah one reply says so. The name is Qu Wenruo (definitely a Chinese name) and his github repo is at: https://github.com/adam900710 https://github.com/adam900710 From the email it looks like he works/worked in SUSE.
  - Aperocky 5y ago
    Your post are downvoted because it is borderline racist. The maintainer happened to be Chinese and that gave you 'chills'. There are 1.4 billion Chinese and most of them live in China, there are also open source projects hosted in China, and a lot of open source contribution coming from people living in China, if only because there are many people there. The media links you posted are also made of conjecture ('Trump administration claims' is literally in the title) and you've then stretched them with your own imagination to arrive at your 'concerns'.
    - belter 5y ago
      The comment is not racist because if you did read it the concern was NOT about the maintainer being Chinese and I made that VERY CLEAR. The concern was that in the Chinese group discussion commentators were mentioning he was Chinese. Now why would that be relevant indeed ? It can be relevant because it open the possibility to him being pressured by a company that is partly owned by the Chinese Army. That is where the chill was coming from... Hopefully he is based in the US. Now tell me, where is the racism ?
      - belter 5y ago
        Who Owns Huawei ? https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 Who Owns Huawei? The Company Tried to Explain. It Got Complicated. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawei.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawe...
        DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
        This is a detailed refutation of that paper: https://pekingnology.substack.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a-response https://pekingnology.substack.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a... It goes into the specifics of the Chinese laws governing employee share ownership, and why the employee shares are held by the union (it has to do with arcana of 1990s-era Chinese laws governing stock distribution by non-publicly-traded companies). Balding & Clarke fundamentally misunderstand why the union is used as a share-holding vehicle, and what the legal implications of that are.
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
BTW, mentioning his origins probably has something to do with "saving face", it was probably more embarassing to the Chinese patch submitter to have been criticized by another Chinese person compared to a Westerner, since in Asia the mentality of "we're from the same country, we'll look out for each other, and one of us shouldn't be making another look bad in public." is more pevalent.