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Discussion in Chinese online community zhihu if anyone is interested: https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502 https://www.zhihu.com/question

Discussion in Chinese online community zhihu if anyone is interested: https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502

epage 5y ago
To save English speakers a couple of clicks to translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http...
- belter 5y ago
  Keep in mind this community is probably censored: https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your-real-identity-if-you-want-to-comment-online/ https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your... From the online translation, the mention by one the commentators that the Kernel Maintainer is also Chinese...give me a bit of a chill... To make it clear ...Not that I would not trust the maintainer, instead, my concern is that depending where he is based a window could be open to unpleasant pressure...
  - markus_zhang 5y ago
    Yeah real identity has been going on for a while and recently I had to submit my id number too but I don't think it affects most of the discussion on Zhihu as long as it's not too politically sensitive. It's an annoyance for many people in oversea though.
    - belter 5y ago
      As I am not a Chinese speaker..do you confirm there is in the thread a comment that the maintainer is also Chinese ? I am concerned about possible pressure from Huawei and its "shareholders": https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 to a Kernel maintainer. Looking at the heavy down votes my post got its not a concern here...
      - markus_zhang 5y ago
        Yeah one reply says so. The name is Qu Wenruo (definitely a Chinese name) and his github repo is at: https://github.com/adam900710 https://github.com/adam900710 From the email it looks like he works/worked in SUSE.
      - Aperocky 5y ago
        Your post are downvoted because it is borderline racist. The maintainer happened to be Chinese and that gave you 'chills'. There are 1.4 billion Chinese and most of them live in China, there are also open source projects hosted in China, and a lot of open source contribution coming from people living in China, if only because there are many people there. The media links you posted are also made of conjecture ('Trump administration claims' is literally in the title) and you've then stretched them with your own imagination to arrive at your 'concerns'.
        belter 5y ago
        The comment is not racist because if you did read it the concern was NOT about the maintainer being Chinese and I made that VERY CLEAR. The concern was that in the Chinese group discussion commentators were mentioning he was Chinese. Now why would that be relevant indeed ? It can be relevant because it open the possibility to him being pressured by a company that is partly owned by the Chinese Army. That is where the chill was coming from... Hopefully he is based in the US. Now tell me, where is the racism ?
        belter 5y ago
        Who Owns Huawei ? https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 Who Owns Huawei? The Company Tried to Explain. It Got Complicated. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawei.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawe...
        DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    BTW, mentioning his origins probably has something to do with "saving face", it was probably more embarassing to the Chinese patch submitter to have been criticized by another Chinese person compared to a Westerner, since in Asia the mentality of "we're from the same country, we'll look out for each other, and one of us shouldn't be making another look bad in public." is more pevalent.
MangoCoffee 5y ago
>进git看了一下，笑死了。这位华为大佬曾经在一天里对同一个文件提交了6个fix，每一个fix修改注释里面的一个拼写错误，还有一个是调整include 顺序。被reject了以后还发邮件去defend。打个比方就是你假装帮导师做数据，一个数据没做但是一天发给他6个版本，每个版本改论文里的一个错别字，同时要求导师把你名字加到作者里。导师说求你别给我发了，然后你跑去办公室和他争论这个错字很重要，换了谁都要发飙啊。 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953367097 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953367097 this comment is funny.
- markus_zhang 5y ago
  Yeah some comments are funny and insightful, but again I have no idea whether what they said was true or not.
mook 5y ago
One of the answers raises an interesting possibility: https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953785089 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953785089 Basically, they claim it's possible that it's not about KPI at all; but rather, Huawei has added some internal processes to try to raise code quality. But those processes, rather than focusing on things like algorithms, ends up mostly catching unimportant things like minor security issues in tests and code style issues in third-party code. So they suspect that these trivial patches are somebody internal to Huawei trying to satisfy their own internal processes by fixing upstream. That would mean it's still about KPIs, just not those of the patch submitter.

Discussion in Chinese online community zhihu if anyone is interested: https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502

epage 5y ago

To save English speakers a couple of clicks to translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1951896502&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http...

belter 5y ago
Keep in mind this community is probably censored: https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your-real-identity-if-you-want-to-comment-online/ https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-now-have-to-provide-your... From the online translation, the mention by one the commentators that the Kernel Maintainer is also Chinese...give me a bit of a chill... To make it clear ...Not that I would not trust the maintainer, instead, my concern is that depending where he is based a window could be open to unpleasant pressure...
- markus_zhang 5y ago
  Yeah real identity has been going on for a while and recently I had to submit my id number too but I don't think it affects most of the discussion on Zhihu as long as it's not too politically sensitive. It's an annoyance for many people in oversea though.
  - belter 5y ago
    As I am not a Chinese speaker..do you confirm there is in the thread a comment that the maintainer is also Chinese ? I am concerned about possible pressure from Huawei and its "shareholders": https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53172057 to a Kernel maintainer. Looking at the heavy down votes my post got its not a concern here...
    - markus_zhang 5y ago
      Yeah one reply says so. The name is Qu Wenruo (definitely a Chinese name) and his github repo is at: https://github.com/adam900710 https://github.com/adam900710 From the email it looks like he works/worked in SUSE.
    - Aperocky 5y ago
      Your post are downvoted because it is borderline racist. The maintainer happened to be Chinese and that gave you 'chills'. There are 1.4 billion Chinese and most of them live in China, there are also open source projects hosted in China, and a lot of open source contribution coming from people living in China, if only because there are many people there. The media links you posted are also made of conjecture ('Trump administration claims' is literally in the title) and you've then stretched them with your own imagination to arrive at your 'concerns'.
      - belter 5y ago
        The comment is not racist because if you did read it the concern was NOT about the maintainer being Chinese and I made that VERY CLEAR. The concern was that in the Chinese group discussion commentators were mentioning he was Chinese. Now why would that be relevant indeed ? It can be relevant because it open the possibility to him being pressured by a company that is partly owned by the Chinese Army. That is where the chill was coming from... Hopefully he is based in the US. Now tell me, where is the racism ?
        belter 5y ago
        Who Owns Huawei ? https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669 Who Owns Huawei? The Company Tried to Explain. It Got Complicated. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawei.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawe...
        DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  BTW, mentioning his origins probably has something to do with "saving face", it was probably more embarassing to the Chinese patch submitter to have been criticized by another Chinese person compared to a Westerner, since in Asia the mentality of "we're from the same country, we'll look out for each other, and one of us shouldn't be making another look bad in public." is more pevalent.

MangoCoffee 5y ago

>进git看了一下，笑死了。这位华为大佬曾经在一天里对同一个文件提交了6个fix，每一个fix修改注释里面的一个拼写错误，还有一个是调整include 顺序。被reject了以后还发邮件去defend。打个比方就是你假装帮导师做数据，一个数据没做但是一天发给他6个版本，每个版本改论文里的一个错别字，同时要求导师把你名字加到作者里。导师说求你别给我发了，然后你跑去办公室和他争论这个错字很重要，换了谁都要发飙啊。 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953367097 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953367097 this comment is funny.

markus_zhang 5y ago
Yeah some comments are funny and insightful, but again I have no idea whether what they said was true or not.

mook 5y ago

One of the answers raises an interesting possibility: https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953785089 https://www.zhihu.com/question/466111598/answer/1953785089 Basically, they claim it's possible that it's not about KPI at all; but rather, Huawei has added some internal processes to try to raise code quality. But those processes, rather than focusing on things like algorithms, ends up mostly catching unimportant things like minor security issues in tests and code style issues in third-party code. So they suspect that these trivial patches are somebody internal to Huawei trying to satisfy their own internal processes by fixing upstream. That would mean it's still about KPIs, just not those of the patch submitter.