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For someone who has no medical background, you are certainly spouting a lot of nonsense as if it was fact. The WHO, for example, disagree. https://www.who.int

For someone who has no medical background, you are certainly spouting a lot of nonsense as if it was fact. The WHO, for example, disagree. https://www.who.int/activities/promoting-cancer-early-diagnosis https://www.who.int/activities/promoting-cancer-early-diagno...

jacquesm 5y ago
The fact that you link to that and apparently do not understand it combined with a personal attack is enough to disregard your comment for me. But let me stress this in case it wasn't clear to you: screening and early diagnosis are not the same thing. If you screen a large population for cancer you will turn up a lot of cancers that may never become a problem, or that may even end up being re-absorbed without the need for intervention, as well as a large number of false positives. Early diagnosis means that there are already symptoms. Please don't confuse the two.
- laputan_machine 5y ago
  You come in and flame other users, but then take deep offense when you get it back. Treat others with respect and in turn you'll receive it.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    I think I've spent more than enough time in this thread going out of my way to explain things in as clear and simple a manner as I know how to and if have offended anybody then I apologize for that, it certainly wasn't my intention.
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    Disagreement is not "flaming." Jacquesm has been generally respectful and factual. The closest they have come to rudeness is when people refer to "facts" not in evidence or link to things that they haven't read or understood well, and even that impatience was explanatory. This comment is simply a personal attack.
    - laputan_machine 5y ago
      I am sorry if you cannot understand what I am talking about, that you are clearly misunderstanding what I am saying. I will write in this deeply arrogant fashion and refuse to link to anything I'm talking about, and when questioned I will infer that the people I'm replying to are utterly moronic (without saying quite such, I will instead say things like 'I'm sorry you don't understand / let me make this clear / you shouldn't be posting things you don't understand'). I will continue to write as if my stance is absolutely correct even though I am not an expert in this field, I will write as if I am. And then when people call me out for my arrogance I will insist I've done nothing wrong and will be confused. Baffling.
    - a_conservative 5y ago
      > The problem is not my mindset, but your understanding of the subject material. IMO, that is inflammatory and arrogant. More broadly speaking, much of the arguments in this post seem almost political. They are dressed up in fancy language, but essentially boil down to "We can't give these peons information that they aren't smart enough to deal with" That is an extremely arrogant position to take, even though I do believe there is some truth that knowledge can be counter-productive. Who gets to be the gate-keeper?

jacquesm 5y ago

The fact that you link to that and apparently do not understand it combined with a personal attack is enough to disregard your comment for me. But let me stress this in case it wasn't clear to you: screening and early diagnosis are not the same thing. If you screen a large population for cancer you will turn up a lot of cancers that may never become a problem, or that may even end up being re-absorbed without the need for intervention, as well as a large number of false positives. Early diagnosis means that there are already symptoms. Please don't confuse the two.

laputan_machine 5y ago
You come in and flame other users, but then take deep offense when you get it back. Treat others with respect and in turn you'll receive it.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  I think I've spent more than enough time in this thread going out of my way to explain things in as clear and simple a manner as I know how to and if have offended anybody then I apologize for that, it certainly wasn't my intention.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  Disagreement is not "flaming." Jacquesm has been generally respectful and factual. The closest they have come to rudeness is when people refer to "facts" not in evidence or link to things that they haven't read or understood well, and even that impatience was explanatory. This comment is simply a personal attack.
  - laputan_machine 5y ago
    I am sorry if you cannot understand what I am talking about, that you are clearly misunderstanding what I am saying. I will write in this deeply arrogant fashion and refuse to link to anything I'm talking about, and when questioned I will infer that the people I'm replying to are utterly moronic (without saying quite such, I will instead say things like 'I'm sorry you don't understand / let me make this clear / you shouldn't be posting things you don't understand'). I will continue to write as if my stance is absolutely correct even though I am not an expert in this field, I will write as if I am. And then when people call me out for my arrogance I will insist I've done nothing wrong and will be confused. Baffling.
  - a_conservative 5y ago
    > The problem is not my mindset, but your understanding of the subject material. IMO, that is inflammatory and arrogant. More broadly speaking, much of the arguments in this post seem almost political. They are dressed up in fancy language, but essentially boil down to "We can't give these peons information that they aren't smart enough to deal with" That is an extremely arrogant position to take, even though I do believe there is some truth that knowledge can be counter-productive. Who gets to be the gate-keeper?